I tend to idolize logic in forums


Can OP elaborate his argument to us in layman terms? Plz?

I'm inclined to say idolize and worship are pretty distinct. They were probably closer in the past, but I think what was originally a derivative usage has probably become the standard definition.

-what if a suicide bomber met up with some atheists and scientists
-the atheists and scientists would want to live
-therefore, god exists

.. Why does it always sound like We have different meanings for words and You're always using the 'right' one?

Don't you remember it was YOU who came up with

'true=beneficial' and 'reasonable=happy-making' ?

I pointed out that 'sound judgement' should be an appropriate/common meaning for reasonable.

Concerning the OP argument: just because people get scared and start to hope/believe in fairy tales when its time, it doesn't mean that the fairy tales are reality.

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See, its something like hope. Might be true that indeed most people start believing when things get messy but
that's just a natural human weakness.
So while you think the word/argument 'destroys atheists', it would also 'destroy' every other human. (Can't tell me every believer believes strongly enough to be 'invulnerable')

Everybody gets scared when facing death (more or less) and besides, hoping for the best doesn't equal believing in allah.

Based on the OP I'd say the word is "bomb" and not "death".

Furthermore; If in a bomb-close-to-me scenario I have to choose between the people who does not accept that bomb equals death and the ones who do, I'll go with the ones who don't.

Lastly I think the hypothetical kamikaze bomber's somewhat garbled speech with Jesus constitutes a rather hopeful argument.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship
wor⋅ship  /ˈwɜrʃɪp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, -shiped, -ship⋅ing or (especially British) -shipped, -ship⋅ping.
–noun 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. 2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).

–verb (used with object) 6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).

–verb (used without object) 8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.


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Origin:
bef. 900; (n.) ME wors(c)hipe, worthssipe, OE worthscipe, var. of weorthscipe; see worth, -ship; (v.) ME, deriv. of the n.

Related forms:

wor⋅ship⋅er, noun
wor⋅ship⋅ing⋅ly, adverb


Synonyms:
3. honor, homage, adoration, idolatry. 7. honor, venerate, revere, adore, glorify, idolize, adulate.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/worship

Noun 1. worship - the activity of worshipping
activity - any specific behavior; "they avoided all recreational activity"
apotheosis, deification, exaltation - the elevation of a person (as to the status of a god)
ancestor worship - worship of ancestors
prayer, supplication - the act of communicating with a deity (especially as a petition or in adoration or contrition or thanksgiving); "the priest sank to his knees in prayer"
idolisation, idolization - the act of worshiping blindly and to excess
latria, adoration - the worship given to God alone
idol worship, idolatry - the worship of idols; the worship of images that are not God
idolatry, veneration, cultism, devotion - religious zeal; the willingness to serve God
autolatry, idiolatry, self-worship - the worship of yourself
arborolatry, tree-worship - the worship of trees
astrolatry, worship of heavenly bodies - the worship of planets or stars
cosmolatry - the worship of the cosmos
demonolatry, devil-worship, diabolatry - the acts or rites of worshiping devils
fire-worship, pyrolatry - the worship of fire
hagiolatry, hierolatry - the worship of saints
heliolatry, sun-worship - the worship of the sun
animal-worship, zoolatry - the worship of animals
monolatry - the worship of a single god but without claiming that it is the only god
moon-worship, selenolatry - the worship of the moon
salaah, salaat, salah, salat - the second pillar of Islam is prayer; a prescribed liturgy performed five times a day (preferably in a mosque) and oriented toward Mecca
praise - offering words of homage as an act of worship; "they sang a hymn of praise to God"

Can we now agree that it is possible to worship everything or are there still any doubts? And can we agree that idolization is a synonym for whorship?

"Death" was the first word I thought of too in the few seconds after seeing
the title of the thread. I would likely think of a better story.

Atheist or theist, scientist or not, all will know that physical death is not the
end.

sums up the argument perfect. it's sad, funny and probably helping the atheistic cause all xtian posters who post nonsq over and over again.

Since you constantly refuse to clarify your terms unless some given definition could be used as an argument IN RETROSPECT, it is really completely uninteresting what you take key words to mean.

It is also pointless to pose sensible counter-arguments since you will respond with claims that "this proves your point" or some randomly chosen insults.

I suggest we define "to worship" to mean "to eat cookies" and proclaim your argument to be fattening.

First sentence containing kind of logic from an Atheist in this forum.

If this were true, you wouldn't hinder me to clarify my terms directly at the beginning. Are you becoming fluffy knees?

Are you becoming fluffy knees?

I was not running away from clarifying my terms. But clarifying terms seems to be a nightmare for you guys.

shahrad, can you answer my question.... do jews, muslims, buddhists, hindus, etc avoid the same problem of death or is this only for christians?

One question for the intelligent Atheists in this forum: What would shahrad do, if he were an Atheist?

why is everybody giving this guy so much attention? there are plenty of religious persons that are far more interesting to debate with than this fellow imho ...

sometimes i get the feeling that people like shahrad and hardcore atheists really need each other to feast on. Shahard would probably be lost if he'd encounter non-religious people that are openminded, humble, kindhearted and doubtful by nature. It goes the same way the other way around oddly enough. Lots of posters seem to need guys like shahrad to glorify their position that you must be mindnumbingly moronic to be a religious person.

Storm out of church shouting "Get out of my way, you dumbs!"

I still think Sharad is a level

I would study the logic behind the Atheistic thesis, I would read some works from Schopenhauer, John Searle, Nietzsche, Marx, Engels, Chomsky, Sartre.... and only then I would open my mouth and try to defend or to explain Atheism.

sharad, can you answer my question above about other religions

easy... people give this guy attention because normally we're only exposed to Christian nonsensical ranty types. This is a rare chance to discuss the rantings of an Islamic holy-roller type. (so far, its a little more arrogant, has poorer english but links to some nicer pithy sayings once in awhile.)

Most people don't have to read all the people listed above to explain why they don't have a belief in invisible men in robes living in the clouds. Smart people can reach that conclusion without all that research.

Imagine you have to read all of that studying to come up with, "I don't see any evidence for invisible supermen. Therefore, I don't currently believe there are any."

sharad, are you well versed in cs lewis, etc before you open your mouth, or is the bible and what your preacher says good enough?

Actually most of my posts in response to you have debunked the very logic you so often claim to use.