The one specific point I want you to exchange thoughts with me about, in this thread, is that you havent shown that demonic possession is actually a real thing, is the actual cause of behaviour. We can observe behaviour , sure, but you cant just claim that its demonic possession, unless you have proof ( unless you are a dishonest person)

Dear Neeeel, please read the texts below and revise your post, okay?

You are again lost, and it is a getting lost attitude in your heart and mind, in order to pick a squabble with me.


Happy thinking and writing, but don't get lost, in particular not from bad faith.

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Originally Posted by Susmario on 08-28-2016, 04:43 PM #18

Re: Demonic possession, what's its contribution to mankind?

Dear everyone here, thanks for your presence.


Now, I am going to request you, oh silent majority, to propose something from your part, in re demonic possession and its contribution to mankind, the phenomenon that is.

Then we can work together to come to concurrence on our differing takes on the issue.

Now, if you are wondering whether demon possession has existence or not, please think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas; so, ready, to think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas?

Here goes, but it is my position, you can and should add your contribution, that word again, contribution - yes, everything has a contribution to man's understanding of existence and the why there is existence and also the irrefutable truth and fact, that the default status of things in the totality of being is existence.

Here goes: You see, oh silent majority, there is already in the vocabulary of English, the term demonic possession, wherefore people who do read at all, anything and everything readable and available to people who do read at all, they know what is being published or what they hear, when the term, demonic or demon possession is spoken of.

That term refers to a phenomenon, an event that is observable, so it exists, the event or occurrence or happening, or the fact, it exists, namely:

That there is a human who exhibits a behavior to which people who do know the term demonic or demon possession [henceforth demon possession to be brief] ascribe the word and concept of demon possession.

Of course, insofar as the term demon possession is concerned, it has to do with the observable phenomenon of a human displaying the behavior; and, pray, what is that behavior?

I will go to Wikipedia which is the most accessed internet online reference for all kinds of concepts and objects humans talk about, at least talk about if not disquisition on.

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… [demonic possession] makes them utter blasphemy, speak tongues they have never learned, discovers to them unknown secrets, and inspires them with the knowledge of the obscurest things in philosophy or theology.[A 1] Descriptions of demonic possessions often include erased memories or personalities, convulsions (i.e. epileptic seizures or “fits”) and fainting as if one were dying.[1] Other descriptions include access to hidden knowledge (gnosis) and foreign languages (xenoglossy), drastic changes in vocal intonation and facial structure, the sudden appearance of injuries (scratches, bite marks) or lesions, and superhuman strength. Unlike in channeling, the subject has no control over the possessing entity and so it will persist until forced to leave the victim, usually through a form of exorcism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession

So, please, oh silent majority, be guarded against self-perverted liars opinion makers who insist that there is no existence to demon possession, for whatever objective they are seeking to accomplish with you, oh silent majority.

We are talking about the phenomenon as described above in Wikipedia, it exists and everything starting with the central character, the victim of demon possession, the circumstances of place, time, etc., all the five w’s and one h: namely, who, what, where, when, why, and how, reporters of news events write about, they all exist in objective reality outside our mind.


So, oh silent majority, be you also eloquent with your thinking on the subject, or my thread here, Demonic possession, what’s its contribution to mankind.

I am at this point concerned with how to help the victim work out some monetary income for himself, for his own upkeep, as while he is a victim, still he has expenses to shoulder, or in brief, still he has a life to pursue, and make the most of.



Happy thinking and writing, contribute your thoughts to this thread, and we will have the mutual pleasure of this most peculiar delight of thinking humans, the investigation of all kinds of phenomenon of nature and of man.


So, again, happy thinking and writing!

Originally Posted by Susmario
Thanks everyone for your presence.


My purpose here in this thread is really very practical; but what is, you will ask me, to pursue a practical objective?

Practical is the adjective corresponding to the verb and noun, practice.

If you have a practice like in the domain of law i.e. rules imposed by government to be observed by the populace, it means that you have an activity with your time and effort to earn a living, by telling people what are the rules you have to observe in any act you want to undertake, like for example, you want to import a party drug called ecstasy, or build a hut in New York Central Park, that is an example of a practice, practice in the domain of law, and most important, you earn money by which you can pursue anything and everything not prohibited by law, to enjoy life.

So, this thread is about how demon possession, the phenomenon which is impacting on a human, can and should be and is a contribution, a practical contribution to mankind at large, starting with the demon possession victim himself. for a start.

What about me, what am I doing with starting threads in internet forums?

No, I am not into earning money, but into enjoying life,

That is my way of enjoying life, one of its pleasures, for myself with internet discussions; specifically I love to find out how people think, and in internet forums posters and readers of their posts are into thinking; though in fact there are many who do not think but emote, i.e. display their emotions of anger, hatred, envy, fear, pride, vanity, etc., instead of thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, to come to knowledge or more enhancement of knowledge.


Back to the topic of this thread, what is the contribution to mankind in the phenomenon of demon possession afflicting a human.

First, I propose we all think on ways and means to help the victim to make a living from his peculiar condition, as there are peoples who love i.e. are thrilled to view such a phenomenon as a demon possession.



Happy thinking and writing!

[ Post ends here. ]

Yes, I picked one specific point, as you requested. The specific point was whether demonic possession actually exists


You cannot be serious. Theres a concept "demonic possession", everyone knows what it means, and wikipedia has a section on it, therefore demonic possession exists?

Congratulations, you have just also proven that santa exists, that elves exist, that krishna exists, etc, etc

Dear Neeeel, I am asking you so that you will do some exact precision thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, instead of going your own direction to pick a squabble with me, on the existence of demonic possession which you deny to exist, when I am talking about the existence of the phenomenon.

Now, tell me, there is the phenomenon, it consists of many factors, the main one is the victim, the possessed human, then the onlookers, then the people who are trying to bring about normalcy in the possessed victim, all of them exist, and they together make up the event, or occurrence, or happening called demonic possession.

So, as you stubbornly claim demonic possession to not exist contrary to like the nose in your face is existing instead of not existing, suppose you be more precise, what does not exist in the phenomenon called demonic possession?


Dear readers, do you notice what I am trying to steer Neeeel to, so that he will not continue to keep to his wrong direction of denying altogether the phenomenon called demonic possession?


Okay, Neeeel, tell me, I am now playing the role of a reporter of news events covering an instance of what is called the phenomenon of demonic possession; how do you understand the term phenomenon of demonic possession, and see into your heart and mind that what you want to deny completely is what you call simply demonic possession, without the phrase, phenomenon of which makes up the complete correct name for the whole event, namely, the phenomenon of demonic possession?

That is always the trouble with you, tunnel vision into the wrong target of the issue at hand.



Happy thinking and writing, but direct your tunnel to the right path, otherwise you will always be lost in a discussion, and people will just leave you aside to your empty but annoying ranting.


Dear readers, when you read my posts you will notice if you have not yet, that I tend to be more than exact with my words, in particular words which are carefully chosen as to bring readers’ attention to the right object to which I want them to pay careful attention, that is why readers sometimes tend to feel (wrongly) that I am being unnecessarily tautological.

Like this sentence, “The default status of the totality of being is existence.”


To you readers here, happy thinking, and also contribute some writing to this thread.

You see, dear readers, if you have gotten my drift correctly, Neeeel is attending to his favorite whipping character, which is that? Read and think, on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

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Demons. and possession of humans by demons



There are events, which some people ascribe to demonic possession. These events happen, but are wrongly ascribed to demonic possession. Demons, and demonic possession do not exist, the events have some other explanation than demonic possession

Dear Neeeel, you seem to be very stubborn against getting it into your head that I am talking about the phenomenon, but you are hammering no end on the non-existence of demons and non-existence of demonic possession, sans the modifying qualification of the concept of phenomenon.

I will have to no longer read you because you are again into an uncontrollable status, with your obsession over non-existence of demons and non-existence of demonic possession.


You see, dear readers here, my approach is to observe the phenomenon, but Neeeel is obsessive to self-uncontrollability on his harping on non-existence of demons and non-existence of demonic possession.

Let us leave him alone to his own kind of possession, we will study the phenomenon, okay.


Now, I have been reading web accounts of the phenomenon, and I have just come to the conclusion that we have to distinguish between possession subjects who are violent and possession subjects who are not violent.

Now, of course for the present we will not deal with the existence or non-existence of demons; the fact is that the subject is exhibiting or acting out a behavioral scene, which at this point I submit we all who are into this thread, we have to discern who are in term of behavioral scene violent and therefore impossible to deal with, and who are not and therefore possible to deal with and to interact with: so that we can help them to do something with our help to make a living and have a life, notwithstanding that they are the victims in the phenomenon.


What about the violent subjects victims?

We have to notify the medical authority of the government to handle them with pharmaceutics, to tranquilize them, but of course not knock them off altogether from consciousness; because then they will be even worse off than just being violent, for we cannot at all interact in any way with an unconscious human.

So, back to our listing of assets and liabilities with the victim of the phenomenon of demon possession.


Everything can be an asset when we can find a way for the victim to make use of his behavioral features, as to, put crudely but realistically, make money.

What comes to mind right now is the behavior of levitation, that is certainly an asset: for anyone who is possessed (pun not intended) of curiosity will want to view a person levitating, because that is really something extraordinary, amazing, most thrilling to observe in actual real life and real time performance.

So, let us all research in the web to find out whether there is really physical levitation, like a helicopter levitates vertically from ground surface into space, without any support that is resting i.e. planted on ground surface.


I will report tomorrow morning, on my finding, on the genuinity of levitation.

OP, I think to be more productive this discussion needs specific examples, so I'll provide one.

Richard Nixon, was he all bad?

Discuss.

What contribution does something that doesn't happen have to mankind? Pretty abstruse question really. What contribution do unicorns have to mankind?

Thanks everyone for your presence.


Now, I believe I have read in the web and thought enough on the reports of levitation with the victim of demon possession.

My conclusion is that the levitation in demon possession does not satisfy my concept of levitation, but I will grant that for folks who have witnessed levitation in demon possession, it is their concept of levitation.

And if folks want to see and care to pay to see the kind of levitation victims of demon possession can and do put up, then that is a good way of earning money, for the upkeep of otherwise non-money-earning victims of demon possession.

And I have no opposition to it, except a suggestion that they put up a notice to the effect that it is their kind of levitation.

Now, I will read on other features of demon possession which are thrilling to curious humans to watch, like all kinds of body contortions, facial grimaces, foul and filthy language, and of course exfluvia [that means for our purpose here, any things that exit from openings in the human body] from orifices in the body, like the mouth, etc., I will read up on them, and decide whether they could draw curious crowds to pay to watch such feats. though foul and filthy but still though amazing enactments of victims of demon possession.


I will report tomorrow morning.

So you don't deny that Nixon was possessed?

Okay, good, we agree.

But did he still manage to do anything good, or was he pure evil?

I have heard that he neglected his family, so I'm thinking there's no counterbalance to his demonic presidency.

Dear everyone here, thanks for your presence.


Do you notice that all reports of demon possession have to do with the victim not all alone by himself, but he is near to family and neighbors. and eventually in the midst of onlookers, even the police, and regularly of course at least a doctor presumably a psychiatrist is called to extend medical attention to the victim, and likewise religious professionals, like Catholic priests and protestant pastors, to take charge of the victim, on the assumption that the victim's trouble is in the spiritual domain.

Suppose a person is all in isolation by himself for weeks on end, away from the midst of other humans, not within easy and convenient regular reach or notice from fellow humans, will such a person ever get himself into a state of demon possession?

That is one aspect of demon possession deserving of our investigation, namely, that between two persons who are similar in other respects, but one is living in the midst of more people than the other, then there is greater likelihood for the one living in the midst of more people than the other, to lapse into a demon possession?

Dear silent majority here, please do reading in the web on demon possessions, and take notice of the circumstance whether the victim lives closely among and with more people, or with less people, or even lives all by himself days and weeks on end.

Do you get my drift here?

As of now the way I see demon possession, from my internet reading of reports and viewing of youtube recordings, it is in fact amusement for mankind; but does mankind realize that it is an amusement for mankind?

So, some entrepreneurial talents should organize such phenomena as to schedule them, in order that people who are curious and in fact want to enjoy themselves in watching them, know where and when they can view in real life and in real time the phenomena, at least in the internet - and the organizers can make money from their monetary investment in their public availment of such phenomena to curious folks.

It is in its core for ignorant, witless, and stupid folks no different from WWE wrestling.

Government should step in also, to ensure that the organizers keep careful monitoring of such phenomena: to prevent 'victims' from injuring themselves - for the way I see it, victims can and do injure themselves, or people who care to rid victims from their the victims' demon possession don't handle victims in such a way as to in effect in worst scenario, kill them.

Now, what about the question of the objective existence of demons?

Demons have an existence by way of the victims: so in that respect demons exist, and students of demon possession can study demons and their victims, by interviewing victims to get to the demons: for victims are in effect acting as their the demons' spokesmen and facilitators of sorts.


Conclusion:

Demon possession is a way of life and living for victims during certain episodes of their the victims' living existence, in which episodes they display what is called demon possession; but hopefully they are surveyed on and served by well-meaning folks with food and water, and maintenance oversight in regard to their the victims' personal hygiene, and the sanitary upkeep of the scene or in effect the theatric stage of demon possessions.

What about priests and pastors exorcists, and doctors in psychiatry? They are also having a life and living a career, and making money in the shorter or longer term with demon possession phenomena or episodes, in the life of certain fellow humans who are undergoing the phenomenon of or what is called demon possession.

Now, the role of government is to ensure that absolutely in the whole event of a demon possession, all parties and persons involved in the stage or on the audience floor, follow most faithfully the injunction of the famous ancient Greek physician, Hippocrates, Primum non nocere, "First, do no harm," and I will add, in most particular, Don't kill the victims of demon possession.


And what's in it for the victims themselves?

The way I see it, they get the attention they need and want to obtain from fellow humans; but the rest of society should see to it, that they the victims get monetary income for their own needs and desires that money can obtain for them, in the whole episode or phenomenon they are undergoing: willingly or what is also described as unwillingly, in both scenarios of control or no control by the victims, as researchers would want to respectively one way or the other, size up this aspect of the victims' power over their own the victims' demon possession.


For the rest, I as a student of demon possession declare,

Further Affiant Sayeth Naught

Happy thinking and writing!


Before I forget, demon possession is reminiscent of what is called toddlers temper tantrum.

I finally got it, susmario is calling for help.
He is possessed by a demon named Randomus Bull****ticus

This demons favorite activity is posting worthless drivel on internet forums and right now he is forcing poor susmario to do so

Can anyone send an exorcist to susmarios home to end this?

btw, susmario, I can't get you any info on my possessed uncle, he was starting to get annoying so I crucified him in the backyard. The crows are eating him right now