I really don't know what to say. You are inventing claims and arguing against them.

I'm not sure what I did to offend you.

But I feel certain you'll "see the light some day". You're in a helping profession so that says something about your character. You just need to spend more time around the bright lights instead of the dim lights.

You made wrongful claims regarding my views and opinions and then argued against them. This annoys me but it doesn't offend me.

I always make big claims....I'm presenting God's case....and nobody makes bigger claims than the God of the bible. Doesn't mean I make a good case or anything because I'm usually walking out on water when I do it and everything depends on God's power.

Maybe if God lovingly committed genocide against all us dim lights all you bright lights could have the loving world you want.

Why don't you let God manage social evolution. Do you really think prekindergarteners should be telling old, old Granddaddies what to do?

Im just giving suggestions, us evil dim lights need to be dealt with.

Whether you think the word "genocide" is applicable to him is irrelevant. Either he committed the act or he didn't. You can redefine words in any way you like, I prefer to use them in their plain English meaning.

I see no difference, by your explanation, between what Samson did to kill the Philistines and what the 9/11 terrorists did. The 9/11 terrorists, by their thinking--which parallels your explanation of God's motive--simply called time early on a race of blackguards. It's the same motivation which caused the Europeans to enslave and slaughter the natives they found in the new world: they would raise them from their condition of being barely better than "slumped over apes" to full humanity through their God. And if they didn't lay down their arms and accept, they would be slaughtered. Indeed, they had to submit their will; .

But let's review the "background situations," the "surrounding details" of one incident: the killing of the Egyptians firstborn celebrated in my family's annual Passover Seder. Please give me the background or details that justify killing of every Egyptian's firstborn.

When the old, old Grandaddies want to slaughter a "blackguard race," yes. In fact, the old, old Grandaddies should be imprisoned.

Nope.

You have category errors in your thinking.

Tell that to the Holocaust Jews.

Please explain.

My family were Holocaust Jews.

They died because of the exact thinking you impute to God: that he has the right to eliminate "evil."

Also, will you provide the background that justifies God killing the firstborn of every Egyptian that is celebrated during Passover?

Thanks.

Do you hear yourself?

Here is what Wiki says about the context of the killling of the Egyptian firstborns:

The reason for the plagues appears to be at least twofold: to answer Pharaoh’s taunt, “Who is Yahweh, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go?” and to indelibly impress the Israelites with Yahweh’s power as an object lesson for all time, which was also meant to become known “throughout the world.”

According to the Torah, God hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would be strong enough to persist in his unwillingness to release the people, so that God could manifest his great power and cause it to be declared among the nations, so that other people would discuss it for generations afterward. In this view, the plagues were punishment for the Egyptians' long abuse of the Israelites, as well as proof that the gods of Egypt were powerless by comparison. If God triumphed over the gods of Egypt, a world power at that time, then the people of God would be strengthened in their faith, although they were a small people, and would not be tempted to follow the deities that God put to shame. Exodus portrays Yahweh explaining why he did not accomplish the freedom of the Israelites immediately:

“I could have stretched forth My hand and stricken you [Pharaoh] and your people with pestilence, and you would have been effaced from the earth. Nevertheless I have spared you for this purpose: in order to show you My power and in order that My fame may resound throughout the world."

Do you agree with Wiki?

Further on the 10th plague from Wiki:

The last plague has been depicted by critics as a cruel and unjustifiable punishment against the Egyptians, and is criticized for promoting an unethical Schadenfreude ("pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune"). A common and widely accepted Jewish Midrash explains the dreadful plague by expanding upon Exodus 10:28, where Pharaoh threatens to kill Moses:

When Moses went to Pharaoh to demand of him that he let the people go, the whole event is happening in front of Pharaoh's first born son who teases and mocks his father for allowing the Hebrew shepherd to humiliate him. Enraged by the insult and mad with pride, Pharaoh resolved to have revenge for the plagues, and told Moses that he shall deal with the Hebrews in such a manner that a great cry will be heard in Egypt, such that has never been heard before. This was an allusion to the crimes of his father, who ordered the drowning of the male children of the Hebrews. Therefore, Pharaoh brought this harsh punishment upon his own people. His cruel plan was turned back upon him, so that what Pharaoh wanted to do to the Hebrews, God made to happen to him.

This Midrash justifies the last plague with two main arguments:
* Retribution in kind מידה כנגד מידה (Mida ke-neged mida): in the Bible the punishment fits to the crime, not only in severity, but also in symbolism. This is for a pedagogic reason: so that everyone, including the sinner himself, shall know why he has been punished by God.[citation needed]

* Self defence הקם להרגך, השכם להורגו (Ha-kam le-horgecha hashkem le-horgo): Pharaoh planned to slaughter all Hebrew children. By inflicting upon Pharaoh the same thing he planned for the Hebrews, his plan was thwarted.[citation needed]

Under this rationale, it can be seen that God is basically committing the same "evil" that Pharaoh intended to commit. By sending a plague that will kill innocent Egyptian children, God is performing that for which Pharaoh deserved punishment – a crime Pharaoh had not yet committed, but fully intended to.

Some scholars, however, disagree with the interpretation of this plague which emphasizes children, and focus rather on the "first-born" aspect of the plague. As was typical in cultures of the time (and is seen many times in the Old Testament), the custom was for the first-born son to be the major inheritor, from the lowest strata of society to the throne of Pharaoh itself; and thus the first-born sons of Egypt would embody the leadership of the families of the nation. In addition, according to this interpretation, the priests of Egypt were largely first-born sons. Thus, in this view, the first-born sons of Egypt were in fact the decision makers, and communally responsible for the deeds of the nation, good or evil.

Wiki defines a category error as "a semantic or ontological error by which a property is ascribed to a thing that could not possibly have that property."

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom is the absence of a category error.

Believers respect God and are a lot less likely to ascribe these qualities to the God of the Bible that atheists do. That is because they are aware of their position relative to him. He is much higher than us. The bible even says his ways are much higher than ours. So like an atheist we could get confused and start to wonder about God's nature but we have enough faith/humility to listen to God and look for the answers if our feeble minds cause us to doubt. We don't jump to immediate conclusions that put God in the wrong. We don't have a critical spirit towards God at all. The critical spirit is something the world system teachs and it will wreck your life and your relationships with God and everyone else.

Men are fallible.

God isn't.

I'm sorry for your family. In my opinion and the opinion of many religious people paying attention Hitler was the instrument of the devil. He even has a lot of occult connections. Many of the prophecies relate the re-instatement of Israel and the return of the 12 tribes to the Holy Land. Lo and behold, when does anti-semitism and nationalism go full steam ...around the same time the Zionist movement is starting up. Spiritual/Cosmic warfare is continuous across time for centuries...Its not limited to little war year periods like humans typically think....Read the prophecies.

If you want to know more about Cosmic Warfare take a look at the former atheist Dennis McCallum's book: Satan and His Kingdom.

McCallum's theory is that the crucifixion of Jesus was God's secret because God had to use surprise to disarm and beat the devil and one of the things he points to is the fact that Jesus spoke in parables and figurative language to his disciples before his Resurrection and in the 40 days following the Resurrection when Jesus appeared over and over again to his disciples he spoke plainly.

Colossians 2:15: And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

You need to do some deep religious studies.

God has a plan.

That means everything is so interrelated and dependent on prior and future circumstances and also being used as tools for the training of future generations, etc. so they can recognize God and co-operate with his Plan.

I'm not particularly well read on the significance of the Feasts but there is spiritual significance for each of the Jewish feast days. Maybe you could research into it.

this is awesome

Yes I think a lot of the Exodus was about God demonstrating his salvational power for all generations. Israel was designed to be a light for the nations.

Some Jewish sources even say one of the reasons the Amalekites were so cursed is they disrespected God and undermined his holiness in front of all the other nations. Its possible to see them as inciting the other nations to rebel against God because they had purposefully tried to undermine his Plan by assaulting his image and glory.

I'm sorry but its impossible to make me equate God's actions and intent with the devil's.

You know the funny phrase people like to use "what goes around comes around"....I think its true.

Its more anciently known by the karmic phrase "you reap what you sow".

Its interesting to note that karmic phrase is also used in the New Testament.

We reap what we sow. Do I think there's a karmic connection to the bible: yes.

But the point of the first coming of Jesus and his salvational message is: Beat Karma through Me. I've arrived to take away your sins.

Thank you Jesus! Praise God!

so God gives us the 5th commandment "thou shalt not kill".yet it is ok for God to to commit mass murder whenever the urge takes him.

no wonder religious people have no problem with holy wars, suicide bombings, crusades etc. they're just taking their lead from thier hypcritical leader.

like carlin said, the only problem religion has with killing is who's doing the killing and who's getting killed.

more BS.

tell that to the millions of starving children in africa and other places. what"s their karma?what did they do to deserve this fate?(if you tell me its because of adam and eve and an apple, then you'd need to take a good long hard look at your GOD)


and before you go on about god being good, mankind has done far more than he ever did(hard i know as he probably doesn't exeist) to help aliviate their suffering