No, only the ones that made stupid evil decisions are the ones that destroyed themselves by their own evil black hearts, because if they had had good believing hearts they would have survived like Noah and his family.

Precisely. All equally valid/invalid because nobody can speak with authority on "creation."

So does the Christian/Jewish God has the right to kill? If so, you're right, it's not murder. What shall we call it? Extermination?

Any idea how many people were involved? That is, how many were stupid and evil? And what percentage of them were children?

All of them besides Noah and his family.........

Thats as good of an answer as "In the beginning" you cant get more accurate than that.

But they were all evil. Only Noah and his family were worthy.

Please don't be offended by the following, I'm asking the question only because I want to know the answer: Hitler claimed the Jews were evil and thus need to be exterminated. What is the difference between that and God saying all of his creations (save for Noah) were evil and needed to be exterminated?

God knows everything and, being perfectly just and merciful, does what is best for us but punishes justly as well. Hitler does not know, is not perfectly just/merciful.

You know the answer to this Andyfox, not sure why you asked.

Except the Creator, of course.

In the first approximation, a creator has complete control of the work product, including the right to destroy it. However, such rights can be voluntarily renounced in the context of a contract or covenant, as is the case with God.

As long as you don't use a term that implies something incorrect, I don't think it matters much.

Q1.my mother and father "created me". yet they still have no right to kill me. BUT god does?

also, going by your logic, if a scientist created created an intelligent life form in a lab, he would then also have the right to kill it, would he not?

Q2 Sinfull is a mighty big concept don't you think? according to christains gay people are sinfull. in my eyes they'r perfectly normal human beings who just prefer to have sex with people of the same sex.


my point is that sin is a human concept. it's also subjective. so i cannot answer your question.

Q3. i'm not saying my personal interpretation of god is more valid. i don't know if there is a god or not (i would think not, but i don't know).

however for the sake of argument lets say there is. but, do we generally have a better understanding of the way the world works now than we did 2,000 years ago? why should our knowledge of god be any different?

in fact here is a major problem with the whole god concept in general. all the beliefs about god come from a collaberation of imperfect books written by different people about 2,00 years ago? can you not see the difficulty in that?what would be lost in the mere translation alone?.

also, while we're on the subject please explain this to me. why does god change from an angry overlord in the old testament to a loving father figure in the new testament? that does not sound like divine teaching to me. it sounds more like HUMAN teaching.

Q4 lets say a child is born today.when he is grows up it is proven that he is by far and away the most intelligent human being that ever lived. he has an IQ of over 1,000.

but the problem is he becomes a serial killer. does his superiority take away our right to JUDGE him?there was a guy in the 1930's who thought like that. i'm sure you've heard of him.

Also if God exists and he created the universe and everyting in it, then he is a creature far beyond what my human mind can imagine.

but he has given me a human brain. and he has also given a commandment not to kill.because he believes killing is wrong? now what kind of a parent gievs you guidance but then do exactly the thing he has told you not to himself? a bad one i'd say. are you telling me that a supreme being like god can't even set a good example for us mere mortals?

Q5 i never said he doesn't .i think its unlikely, but i could be wrong. i'm more interested in finding out some evidence for his existence from his followers other than 20,000 different ways of saying "it says it in the bible".

Religious people trying to defend themselves with logic tilts me so hard.

actually i'd love to see some good logical arguments from the theist side.


(i'm burnt out from poker. i'm taking a break. i could be here a lot while i rechrge the batteries. only found this yesterday. an old hobby of mine is arguing thiesm and atheism)

Attempts to get mileage out of peanut gallery mischaracterization in lieu of logical argument should tilt you more.

I'd love to meet you.....and laugh.

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Why would I be offended?

Well, I would think that God has a better grasp and idea of what is evil and what is not.

whetehr my parents biologically reroduced or created me is mere semantics.they are rsesponsible for my being here.

as is God by your reasoning.when you give something to someone , be it life , money or a gift you have no right to take it back NONE.


people have souls you say. lets for the sake of argument say they don't. does this then give us the right to kill each other?


if sin is an incurable disease then how can God hold us responsible for it?after all he infected us. if someone gets attacked with a needle by an HIV carrier and contracts the disease you don't blame the victim do you?

i have no knowledge of the dead sea scrolls. i do however know that they're were many more versions of the bible than the four we use today. why would god create four (and more) bobles? is he trying to confuse us?


i'm sorry but God is very very angry in the old testament.


your thinking about superiority giving god the right to do whatever he wants intrigues me.in fact i can't get my head around it all.even god has supposedly given us free will, yet he can also take that away at any time of his choosing?what kind of free will (choice) is that?


as for jesus he seems like a pretty cool guy. so were gandhi, MLK etc. doesn't make them God.

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And who is responsible for them being here, and who is responsible for those responsible for your parents being here? Take this line of thinking on back and where do you end up?

God is the one, meaning the creator is the one responsible for the first of mankind being here.

God never takes life he gives life. In the old testament there are things called Orientalisms. Find out what that means by googling it. Its basically a way of saying something, similar to a figure of speech.

These ways of saying things are understood only by those who understand the culture of the bible times.

I honestly want to explain in detail but I think that you are have made up your mind and are not receptive to anything outside of your unbelief, are you?

The same exact questions can be asked of the evolutionary creation story.

Yet his understanding produced the same result: lots of dead people killed because he thought they were evil.

You know why I asked: how can one defend the mass killing of every human being? The definition of a god who would do this as just and merciful makes a travesty of the words. A just god kills children because they are evil?

Dont forget about God aborting all the fetuses. They must of been evil too.

Perhaps all of their descendants would have stomped out good and no human would have been saved.

But God knew all of their hearts, and God killing a human is never the same as a human killing another human, because God knows the heart of the human, God gave the human life and everything, and if the human turns from God and causes evil God can justly kill them.

No human can understand everything God does so to talk in this way it theoretical and may in no way represent the truth. The question you ask is largely unanswerable with any accuracy, just that we Christians put faith in God being just and merciful because He told us He is. God has always kept His promises.

Ugh.

It's too bad they were never afforded the free will to choose otherwise.