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06-10-2010 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I don't think so.

The point is that an angel does not have to necessarily be 100% good. Do you think people that make it into heaven when they die are 100% good? Satan was created as an angel, but fell, due to his freewill to do evil. If he was 100% good, he never would of fell.
learn your own theology before you try to state things with so much false authority.
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06-10-2010 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
learn your own theology before you try to state things with so much false authority.
Please explain. Also explain your hate.
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06-10-2010 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Please explain. Also explain your hate.
i'm not here to explain anything to a stubborn 40 year old life failure who obviously has his mind made up, and wouldn't listen to a non-Christian regarding Christianity anyways.

I have no hate towards Christians or Christianity btw, consider 90% of my friends are Christians, I live with Christians, my wife is Christian, etc, etc. Don't misinterpret my utter distaste for your ******edness as hate towards Christians.
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06-10-2010 , 03:45 PM
Yea, you aren't the only one who can go around saying that statement is wrong without explaining why one bit. By the way, you are listened to, but you are not taken seriously. Especially your take on God's Word.

Oh and i am a 40 year old loser because dknight says that is so too, correct?

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I have no hate towards Christians or Christianity btw,
Oh really? You sure show it an awful lot over the internet. Stop bottling it up with your friends and taking it out on Christians over the internet.

And if you have hate for God, you have hate towards God's people.

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06-10-2010 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Yea, you aren't the only one who can go around saying that statement is wrong without explaining why one bit. By the way, you are listened to, but you are not taken seriously.
ive given up trying to explain stuff to you. I tried, and my patience dealing with your 1st grader knowledge of the world and your unbelievably bad reading comprehension is too much to take. I am not the only one who has given up on you. Most theists on this board wont even discuss with you.

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Oh and i am a 40 year old loser because dknight says that is so too, correct?
do i really have to post links to some of the threads youve started? if you dont think you are a 40 year old loser with no education, feel free to prove us all wrong.

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Oh really? You sure show it an awful lot over the internet. Stop bottling it up with your friends and taking it out on Christians over the internet.

And if you have hate for God, you have hate towards God's people.
i show no hate towards any poster except perhaps you and Splendour. You should think about why. (hint: people dont call you a ****** because you are Christian, but if that helps you sleep at night, believe what you want)

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And if you have hate for God, you have hate towards God's people.
how can i hate something that i dont believe exists?
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06-10-2010 , 04:13 PM
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ive given up trying to explain stuff to you. I tried, and my patience dealing with your 1st grader knowledge of the world and your unbelievably bad reading comprehension is too much to take. I am not the only one who has given up on you. Most theists on this board wont even discuss with you.
I don't recall you ever really explaining anything to me. It is the other way around.


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do i really have to post links to some of the threads youve started? if you dont think you are a 40 year old loser with no education, feel free to prove us all wrong.
There was nothing wrong with the threads i started accept the amount of trolls hating and derailing.

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i show no hate towards any poster except perhaps you and Splendour. You should think about why. (hint: people dont call you a ****** because you are Christian, but if that helps you sleep at night, believe what you want)
False again.

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how can i hate something that i dont believe exists?
You believe the Bible exists don't you?
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06-10-2010 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I don't recall you ever really explaining anything to me. It is the other way around.
knowing how poor your memory is, not suprised that you believe this wholeheartedly.


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There was nothing wrong with the threads i started accept the amount of trolls hating and derailing.
yep its always those "trolls", its never poor old ignorant gunth. (btw, im talking about threads started outside of RGT, your threads in RGT are in a class of their own)

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False again.
whats false?


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You believe the Bible exists don't you?
yes, are you really going to try to claim that I hate the Bible? do you even know what the word "hate" means? heres a life tip: spend less time playing your 2cent tables and posting on RGT, and more time trying to finish your high school diploma.
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06-10-2010 , 04:26 PM
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knowing how poor your memory is, not suprised that you believe this wholeheartedly.
Please post 1 true thing you have had to explain to me. Just 1...



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yep its always those "trolls", its never poor old ignorant gunth. (btw, im talking about threads started outside of RGT, your threads in RGT are in a class of their own)
The only thread you can possibly be referring to is the thread about how a 5$ pizza place tells you to take your hoody off. In which case there was a bunch of people that agreed with my take, and really the only purpose of the thread was to let people know that 5$ pizza places are banning hoodies. There are barely any places that don't allow hoodies, and a 5$ pizza place should not be one of them.

If you can show me 1 thread in RGT that has not been trolled in, i would be happy to take a look. But i can guarantee you i can show you people who are trolling. 1 thread dknight.

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whats false.
You have shown hate towards Pletho, Joey, and probably most of the Christians on this board because of their view.

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yes, are you really going to try to claim that I hate the Bible? do you even know what the word "hate" means? heres a life tip: spend less time playing your 2cent tables and posting on RGT, and more time trying to finish your high school diploma.
I am claiming you hate on Christians because of their view, which is backed up by God's Word. So if you hate their view, you have hate towards God. Not to mention the obvious threads and posts you are just hating on God.

Oh and i must not have my diploma, why? Because dknightx says so. You are really big on that falsely accusing habit you got going. GL with that.

Good day to you, but i have better things to do then to listen to your lies and slander.
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06-10-2010 , 04:35 PM
Thar she blows.
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06-10-2010 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Please post 1 true thing you have had to explain to me. Just 1...
theres too many to count. this thread already has a few examples.

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The only thread you can possibly be referring to is the thread about how a 5$ pizza place tells you to take your hoody off. In which case there was a bunch of people that agreed with my take, and really the only purpose of the thread was to let people know that 5$ pizza places are banning hoodies. There are barely any places that don't allow hoodies, and a 5$ pizza place should not be one of them.
your memory is really bad my friend. there were not "a bunch of people that agreed with your take". If you really think so you are more blind than i originally thought. Do i also need to link to the thread about your million dollar patent idea?

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If you can show me 1 thread in RGT that has not been trolled in, i would be happy to take a look. But i can guarantee you i can show you people who are trolling. 1 thread dknight.
considering you dont know the definition of "trolling" and your consistent misuse of the word "troll"/"trolling", then i would just point to any thread you have started.

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You have shown hate towards Pletho, Joey, and probably most of the Christians on this board because of their view.
i dont hate pletho in the slightest, in fact i respect his biblical views quite a bit. You are right about JD though, he is almost as idiotic as you. But since he hasnt really been posting on RGT much lately, his name slipped my mind.

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I am claiming you hate on Christians because of their view, which is backed up by God's Word. So if you hate their view, you have hate towards God. Not to mention the obvious threads and posts you are just hating on God.
well you would be wrong. again, i "hate" on you because you are idiotic and stubborn. it just so happens that the majority of our discussions center around Christianity. If you refuse to believe me when i say that i hate on *you* as a person because you are ******ed, then i cant help you. you are free to believe whatever you want, so i can really only say the same thing a few times before my patience runs out.

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Oh and i must not have my diploma, why? Because dknightx says so. You are really big on that falsely accusing habit you got going. GL with that.
its called a hyperbole. its obvious you have a very low amount of education from the contents of your posts. this is a view held by most posters on this forum (not just RGT, all forums). Feel free to prove the world wrong.

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Good day to you, but i have better things to do then to listen to your lies and slander.
clearly you dont
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06-10-2010 , 04:51 PM
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theres too many to count. this thread already has a few examples.
So many examples but you cannot post one true thing.

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your memory is really bad my friend. there were not "a bunch of people that agreed with your take". If you really think so you are more blind than i originally thought. Do i also need to link to the thread about your million dollar patent idea?
Actually there were.

And what about the patent thread? I met with a poster who lives close to me and he confirmed in thread the idea was legit and interesting. And it wasn't even my idea.

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considering you dont know the definition of "trolling" and your consistent misuse of the word "troll"/"trolling", then i would just point to any thread you have started.
Okay, well when you fool yourself into thinking your right about this too, feel free to link one thread that i have made in RGT that hasn't been obviously trolled in. If i recall correctly, my first thread that i ever made in RGT was started off by people posting "praise thor" pics. Is that not trolling?

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i dont hate pletho in the slightest, in fact i respect his biblical views quite a bit. You are right about JD though, he is almost as idiotic as you. But since he hasnt really been posting on RGT much lately, his name slipped my mind.
That's why you just posted yesterday in a thread for Pletho to stay out of your thread because you are not interested in his take, when you are asking Christians on their take regarding something.


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well you would be wrong. again, i "hate" on you because you are idiotic and stubborn. it just so happens that the majority of our discussions center around Christianity. If you refuse to believe me when i say that i hate on *you* as a person because you are ******ed, then i cant help you. you are free to believe whatever you want, so i can really only say the same thing a few times before my patience runs out.
Would love to see 1 thing you have proved me wrong with. 1 thing dknight.
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its called a hyperbole. its obvious you have a very low amount of education from the contents of your posts. this is a view held by most posters on this forum (not just RGT, all forums). Feel free to prove the world wrong.
No dknight, it is called slander. Go look it up.
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06-10-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
So many examples but you cannot post one true thing.



Actually there were.

And what about the patent thread? I met with a poster who lives close to me and he confirmed in thread the idea was legit and interesting. And it wasn't even my idea.



Okay, well when you fool yourself into thinking your right about this too, feel free to link one thread that i have made in RGT that hasn't been obviously trolled in. If i recall correctly, my first thread that i ever made in RGT was started off by people posting "praise thor" pics. Is that not trolling?



That's why you just posted yesterday in a thread for Pletho to stay out of your thread because you are not interested in his take, when you are asking Christians on their take regarding something.




Would love to see 1 thing you have proved me wrong with. 1 thing dknight.


No dknight, it is called slander. Go look it up.
would love to see 1 thing you have proved me, or anyone on this forum, right with. You'll be searching a long time thats for sure.

Here's the first thread you ever started on this forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...ck-god-745059/

perhaps its time you go back and reread (probably should look up the definition of "trolling" first as well). feel free to note that who is atheist and who is theist in that thread. I expect an apology when you return.
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06-10-2010 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
would love to see 1 thing you have proved me, or anyone on this forum, right with. You'll be searching a long time thats for sure.

Here's the first thread you ever started on this forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...ck-god-745059/

perhaps its time you go back and reread (probably should look up the definition of "trolling" first as well). feel free to note that who is atheist and who is theist in that thread. I expect an apology when you return.

So melchy asking right off the bat if i think God approves of me playing poker for a living is not trolling? That has anything to do with the thread topic right?

You posting your little popcorn.gif is not trolling either right?

And can you explain what was so ridiculous about that thread dknight?

And what post did YOU show me wrong with something? Or are you taking credit for the work of someone else now?

Oh and didn't have to look very far...

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You have shown hate towards Pletho, Joey, and probably most of the Christians on this board because of their view.
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You are right about JD though

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06-10-2010 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
So melchy asking right off the bat if i think God approves of me playing poker for a living is not trolling? That has anything to do with the thread topic right?

You posting your little popcorn.gif is not trolling either right?

And can you explain what was so ridiculous about that thread dknight?
again, you dont know what trolling is. just because you use the word doesnt mean you are using it correctly.

i never said it was ridiculous. Its just an example of a thread where you claimed it was "obviously trolled in", when it fact it was not. Its also another example of how you are completely stubborn towards even other theists who try very patiently to have a discussion with you. The problem is not everyone else Gunth, it is you.
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06-10-2010 , 05:23 PM
Another Gunth0807 thread, awesome.
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06-10-2010 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I want to argue against facts, not assumptions.
Dude ... this is RGT ... and you want facts? From theists?!? ... if you're going to have to insist on that then (excluding Gunth's self-crucifixion), this is going to be a very short thread
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06-10-2010 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
again, you dont know what trolling is. just because you use the word doesnt mean you are using it correctly.

i never said it was ridiculous. Its just an example of a thread where you claimed it was "obviously trolled in", when it fact it was not. Its also another example of how you are completely stubborn towards even other theists who try very patiently to have a discussion with you. The problem is not everyone else Gunth, it is you.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community.

Melchys post was completely off topic. Your popcorn.gif was extraneous.

I was not stubborn at all towards the other theists in that thread. I was looking for the facts, and looking to hear their take. When i was shown to be wrong regarding something, i accepted that...

No the problem here, is you are a liar, and have nothing better to do then slander people and hate on them for their view.
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06-10-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community.

Melchys post was completely off topic. Your popcorn.gif was extraneous.

I was not stubborn at all towards the other theists in that thread. I was looking for the facts, and looking to hear their take. When i was shown to be wrong regarding something, i accepted that...

No the problem here, is you are a liar, and have nothing better to do then slander people and hate on them for their view.
how is asking you a question off topic? just because you think it is doesnt mean they didnt think it was off topic.

my popcorn.gif was a internet meme. it means im excited to see where the discussion is heading. if thats off topic, then wow, i guess i must be doing something wrong. (btw, if these are your two examples of being "constantly trolled", then you need to grow a pair. the amount of "trolling" that went on in that thread is minimal, not just for RGT, but for the INTERNET as a whole).

and dude, when someone tells you 5 times that they dont hate you because of your view, but they hate you because you are an idiot, its probably safe to trust that thats what they mean instead of insisting you know better than they do about there own feelings.

btw, i have plenty to do. I dont work at the post office doing nothing. i actually have a meaningful job.
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06-10-2010 , 06:01 PM
dknightx, i can call you an idiot all day and provide good examples why that is true. But i don't. Why is that?

You attack my reading skills but for some reason you think i work at the post office.

Please give us all dknightx's definition of trolling so we all can become aware like you.
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06-10-2010 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
dknightx, i can call you an idiot all day and provide good examples why that is true. But i don't. Why is that?
probably too inept. I would have no problems if you did this.

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You attack my reading skills but for some reason you think i work at the post office.
This isn't referring to you?

"OP currently works for the postal service. before that he waited tables."

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Please give us all dknightx's definition of trolling so we all can become aware like you.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

funny how you failed to include the bolded part in your definition.
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06-10-2010 , 06:25 PM
I haven't been around since this morning. Are we winning?
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06-10-2010 , 06:26 PM
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I haven't been around since this morning. Are we winning?
definitely not
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06-10-2010 , 06:29 PM
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As far as an example though, Satan himself seems to fit, right? He was in heaven with God so we know he was good and then did evil.
Do you have one instance of Satan doing a good thing?

Talking about him being good just because he was created (or born) is the same as a Hitler's mother saying "I wonder what happened to my baby. He was sooo good until he learned moral activity."
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06-10-2010 , 06:30 PM
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Do you have one instance of Satan doing a good thing?

Talking about him being good just because he was created (or born) is the same as a Hitler's mother saying "I wonder what happened to my baby. He was sooo good until he learned moral activity."
He messed with Job and God seemed to like that and think it was good.
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06-10-2010 , 06:31 PM
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definitely not
Why not? Once you control for free will, you have such an air tight argument against a benevolent God.
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