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06-18-2010 , 11:23 PM

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hentai ftw

A perfect example.

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06-18-2010 , 11:24 PM

#102

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I may be missing something, but I am not understanding the significance of this. Could you clarify?

Adultery seems to require that at least one participant is married.

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06-18-2010 , 11:24 PM

#103

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If anyone cares here is Greg Boyds view on the subject,

http://www.gregboyd.org/qa/christian...to-masturbate/

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06-18-2010 , 11:25 PM

#104

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Originally Posted by EvilSteve

Here's the thing. If God created us, he knows all about the sex drive and how powerful it is. So it would come as no surprise to God that boys and girls from adolescence onward would experiment with masturbation, and that once they tried it, they'd like it. So if he wanted us not to do that (something we naturally enjoy and are going to want to do), the bible should be very specific about the prohibition. But it's not specific at all.

On the contrary i think if you have the big picture it is very specific. Maybe He just didn't want atheists focusing on that...

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06-18-2010 , 11:25 PM

#105

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Originally Posted by Concerto

Adultery seems to require that at least one participant is married.

Ahh, I see that now. Very interesting, I have never taken note of that aspect of the passage.

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06-18-2010 , 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

There are alternative explanations for just about anything and everything out there. Can you provide us with an explanation that you feel is better?

The simplest explanation is that you are not to look at a woman with an intense desire to have sex with her.

It says nothing of "imagining" a woman, or fantasizing about a woman, and it definitely doesn't mention imagining or fantasizing about a woman who doesn't even exist.

And it certainly says nothing about masturbation.

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06-18-2010 , 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

If anyone cares here is Greg Boyds view on the subject,

http://www.gregboyd.org/qa/christian...to-masturbate/

Gunth,

Greg Boyd doesn't agree with you. He believes that it's possible for a Christian to masturbate under certain circumstances without it being a sin.

Is Greg Boyd wrong?

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06-18-2010 , 11:36 PM

#108

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What do you think Christ is referring to when he says "in his heart"?

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06-18-2010 , 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopey

Gunth,

Greg Boyd doesn't agree with you. He believes that it's possible for a Christian to masturbate under certain circumstances without it being a sin.

Is Greg Boyd wrong?

Isn't this what i am saying?...

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06-18-2010 , 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Concerto

Adultery seems to require that at least one participant is married.

So a person who is single could fantasize about another person who is single, without it being a sin.

Or a person could fantasize about person who doesn't exist, without it being a sin.

Gunt, do you disagree that this is possibly a valid interpretation of Mathew 5:28?

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06-18-2010 , 11:41 PM

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Isn't this what i am saying?...

No, unless you're suddenly changing your tune.

Do you think it's possible for you to masturbate without it being a sin? He states that a single person (such as yourself) could fantasize about another single person while masturbating without it being a sin.

He also stated that a married person could masturbate while fantasizing about his wife, without it being a sin. In this very thread you stated that it was wrong to lust after your wife.

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06-18-2010 , 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hopey

No, unless you're suddenly changing your tune.

Do you think it's possible for you to masturbate without it being a sin?

Wow Hopey. It is a wonder sometimes...

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I believe that the instance where it is okay is very specific.

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06-18-2010 , 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

Wow Hopey.

Great answer.

I edited my post to make it clearer in case you didn't understand what I was referring to. Though I think I was wasting my time.

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06-18-2010 , 11:59 PM

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Wow Hopey. It is a wonder sometimes...

That was in reference to a man fantasizing about his wife while masturbating. You seemed to concede that it is not a sin for a man to do this as long as he is fantasizing about his wife.

You then went on later on to state that lusting after your wife is wrong. Which seems to contradict your concession that it is permissible to masturbate in this specific instance.

But my question is whether or not it is possible for YOU (a single male) to masturbate without it being a sin. You quite clearly stated in this thread and in your "Sin" thread that it is a sin for a single person to masturbate. Greg Boyd disagrees. Is he wrong and you are right?

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06-19-2010 , 12:01 AM

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On the contrary i think if you have the big picture it is very specific. Maybe He just didn't want atheists focusing on that...

"If a man abuses his manhood for sensual pleasure and spills his seed, though his wife be not present, this is great wickedness. And if a woman stimulates her womanly region while her husband is away, this is vile fornication. Do you not know that the Lord your God hath made woman for man, wife for husband, and that they must experience the pleasures of the flesh together, or not at all? For such pleasures are the rewards of the childbearing path, and those who seek them illicitly and alone shall surely perish."

Something like that would be a clear, specific prohibition - but it's not in the bible.

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06-19-2010 , 12:02 AM

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Yes, which is why i stated in the official sin thread that i refrain.

I have also stated this:

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Also, i do not think i am really qualified to determine this at the moment, so input from other theists might be needed. But from what i can tell, this is what it looks like to me.

But i know your just hatin on me.

I also believe that if a Christian thinks that He is disobeying God by doing something, that person should not do it. Even if that person is actually mistaken.

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06-19-2010 , 12:57 AM

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I just rubbed one out. Now I shall ask for forgiveness. lol ez game.

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06-19-2010 , 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopey

Yeah, Isn't the sin part that you're not being nice to your wife in being an adulterer? I don't see who the victim is supposed to be when you're masturbating and single.

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06-19-2010 , 01:07 AM

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Yeah, Isn't the sin part that you're not being nice to your wife in being an adulterer? I don't see who the victim is supposed to be when you're masturbating and single.

Seems like a reasonable interpretation to me.

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06-19-2010 , 01:17 AM

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Btw...does anyone actually believe the Christians who claim they never masturbate?

I remember what it was like to be a teenage boy and a 20-something adult. There are certain forces that are impervious to willpower. Testosterone is a very powerfule drug. It would have been complete torture to go without sex or masturbation at that age. They're fighting against nature and millions of years of evolution.

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06-19-2010 , 01:18 AM

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I don't see who the victim is supposed to be when you're masturbating and single.

All the wasted potential children.

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06-19-2010 , 01:38 AM

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All the wasted potential children.

Oh how many have suffered the wrath of the rag...

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06-19-2010 , 01:40 AM

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Yeah, Isn't the sin part that you're not being nice to your wife in being an adulterer? I don't see who the victim is supposed to be when you're masturbating and single.

LUST. You hurt yourself, and little do you realize it, the person you are thinking of.

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06-19-2010 , 01:43 AM

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I like it when girls lust after me.

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06-19-2010 , 01:47 AM

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It is my belief that masturbation is always a sin. Lust after another woman is inescapable while masturbating. Also, having sexual relations or self-using them outside of marriage is contrary to their purpose, which is uniting spouses and being open to life, and is thus inherently wrong.

Pornography often accompanies masturbating, and it is a plague on society, causing people to view sex as something that is not sacred, objectifying their partners, and it is a progressive thing as well... the more you watch it, the more you require to get off from it.

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