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Old 07-20-2016, 09:28 PM   #51
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Re: Christianity is a scam

Calling stuff a scam is an essential part of certain kinds of scams.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:29 PM   #52
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I stick with the words in red.
That's certainly not a bad way to live your life.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:26 PM   #53
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You are wrong because false gods neither "see nor hear nor eat nor smell." They have no power. But Satan is the prince of the air and the "deceiver of the whole world."

http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

Most agree with me that this verse refers to Satan.

Yes others believe this. But putting it directly into the quote confuses the meaning to make it seem like the bible is saying that humankind has no free will to refuse which is not the intention here imho. It like saying that casinos have such power that they can force people against their will to be addicted to gambling rather than what is more correct is that people can either refuse or to choose to be addicted. (Not that casinos are Satan btw).
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:30 PM   #54
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LOL, why quote my post when you ignore 100% of it?
I was responding to the 1% of it I understood.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:48 AM   #55
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95 right? The 57 theses were made by Heinz.
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:51 AM   #56
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So all you have is more claims?



My view is that Christianity (and every other religion) is a scam.




More claims.
No he is right Jesus was world changing.

How can you say Jesus life and death which initiated Christianity, the most powerful religion in money and power and influence to have ever existed, is not world changing...

If he is not world changing who is. Two thousand years latter and he is still influencing the world.
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Old 07-21-2016, 03:14 AM   #57
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Without the resurrection, Christianity would be a different religion, but there is no reason in principle why it couldn't be successful without it. After all, today we have many liberal Christians who reject the claim that the Resurrection is an event of history.

But regardless, my primary point here is not about whether the crucifixion is the most important event relating to Christianity (I don't think it is), but whether it is of sufficient importance that, given the overall historical significance of Christianity, it should itself be regarded as an event of historical significance. For instance, here are a few others:

1) Conversion of Paul and his career and writings as a missionary.
2) Constantine's conversion and the ending of Christian persecution.
3) The Council of Nicea and the creation of Christian orthodoxy.
4) Martin Luther's nailing of the 57 Theses.

My guess is that most reputable general history books covering these eras would talk about these events.
Sure, I wouldn't disagree that the crucifixion, and the events you listed, are of historical significance. I'd say that 2 was a world-changing event. It's possible even at that point that Christianity might have died out and been forgotten. Strange to think that the decision of one man, a change of mind in fact, had such a huge impact on our world.


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Lot's of people, including contemporaries and near-contemporaries of Jesus, claimed to be of divine origin. Jesus claiming to be the "son of god" is not clearly a claim (as it is often taken to be now) to be the God of Abraham. So I'm not sure that is very special.
Ok, not sure I agree but don't know enough to argue it. This is something I do want to explore at some point though, it's always been slightly confusing for me.

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Truthfully, my guess is that Christianity became the biggest religion in the world primarily through luck rather than any unique characteristics of its theology or practice.
Agree (naturally, given that I don't believe in the Christian god and I'm more willing to accept other reasons for the success of Christianity), I think everything just fell into place the same way it does for politicians sometimes. Right place, right time, right combination of circumstances.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:17 AM   #58
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Ok, fun is over

Invisible skydaddy has his people under control. I'm out (of this thread )
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:56 AM   #59
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Its you who has to be under control of something if you say Jesse was not world changing. Strong delusion probably out of hate for religion there.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:09 PM   #60
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Its you who has to be under control of something if you say Jesse was not world changing. Strong delusion probably out of hate for religion there.
LOL, strong claims from someone who believes in jebus and his skydaddy without a shred of evidence. Seems like the delusion is all yours, but that is what I meant with my last post.

Keep believing!
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:17 PM   #61
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Im an atheist or agnostic depending how you define them.
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Old 07-21-2016, 03:19 PM   #62
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I got a wrong text once from somebody who called me "daddy".

I replied "wrong number or I am in for a surprise."
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Old 07-22-2016, 05:25 AM   #63
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LOL, strong claims from someone who believes in jebus and his skydaddy without a shred of evidence. Seems like the delusion is all yours, but that is what I meant with my last post.
Oh, now you care about the strength of claims and the evidence to support them? Also, if you have to explain what your posts mean, the failure is yours.

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Keep believing!
You're going to have to do a lot better than this. Stick around, this forum could seriously raise the level of your game if you're prepared to put your pride aside and learn from the smarter posters here.
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:40 AM   #64
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Oh, now you care about the strength of claims and the evidence to support them? Also, if you have to explain what your posts mean, the failure is yours.
Every religion is self debunking, if you haven't figured that out, then maybe the failure is yours.


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You're going to have to do a lot better than this. Stick around, this forum could seriously raise the level of your game if you're prepared to put your pride aside and learn from the smarter posters here.
And with that you mean yourself and your posts, I suppose No, thank you very much.


I did not even read your answer in the AI/consciousness thread, cause I won't engage any freaky predictions of the future based only on woo and "yeah, but what if". I know you did not produce anything of value there, how could you? Best you may have done is create a silly and worthless argument on "who predicts the future better".

If you like predicting what will happen in 50 years from now, maybe you can make a nice side income at your local county fair.
I'll be most likely dead in 50 years, so I could not care less about your opinion on when a functional AI will be "ready for action".

If it happens way earlier, so be it, I'll be the first to say "Well, looks like I was wrong" but until then there is no point in playing stupid guessing games based on half assed information.
Learn what a computer is, how it works and realize that putting consciousness and/or intelligence into a MACHINE is harder than you or your futurology buddies may think. Good luck with your beliefs about AI

Also: Given the technological advances humanity made so far, I predict a solar powered car/spaceship that can make a roundtrip to the moon with one battery charge. This is going to happen within the next 15 years and anyone who disagrees is just uninformed.

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Old 07-22-2016, 01:29 PM   #65
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I did not even read your answer in the AI/consciousness thread
Then why are you even here?

My entire contribution to that thread boils down to 'Prove what you're saying Zit'. I have no idea what all the other stuff you mentioned is or where it's coming from, I certainly didn't say any of it.

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Every religion is self debunking, if you haven't figured that out, then maybe the failure is yours.
No, I haven't figured it out, care to explain it to me?

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And with that you mean yourself and your posts, I suppose No, thank you very much.
No, not me. Stick around, maybe you'll figure it out.
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Old 08-19-2016, 06:22 PM   #66
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Let's debate some of the illogical statements in the Bible and use this thread to write down anything that's bothering us in the holy scriptures.



For example, the Bible states that God sent Satan to Hell for a 1000 years and when he breaks loose it will be the end of the world.

Well honey, 1000 years are long overdue and nothing happened. Where is your Satan now?
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Old 08-19-2016, 08:44 PM   #67
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the bible might as well be the conclusion to the Harry Potter series
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:00 PM   #68
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Let's debate some of the illogical statements in the Bible and use this thread to write down anything that's bothering us in the holy scriptures.



For example, the Bible states that God sent Satan to Hell for a 1000 years and when he breaks loose it will be the end of the world.

Well honey, 1000 years are long overdue and nothing happened. Where is your Satan now?
You are fantasizing about what you think was stated. Read it carefully.
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Old 09-15-2016, 11:44 PM   #69
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Why are there no Jesus relics that were made in the 1st century AD? NONE. You'd think all eye witnesses would be making sculptures of the guy who's walking on water, healing the sick and resurrecting as if their life depended on it.
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:03 AM   #70
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It's not a scam, I think most Christians believe honestly. It can be used for scam (and it often is), but I think that makes up for a small portion of Christianity as a whole. I even think a lot of the people who use it for a scam believe their own story as well, we tend to rationalize our actions; few corrupt individuals ever realize they are / were corrupt.

I do believe however that the supernatural elements of Christianity (and a fair share of its historical elements) mostly rest on errors and wrongful myth, but that's a different story.
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:50 AM   #71
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I do believe
Your beliefs are completely irrelevant.

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however that the supernatural elements of Christianity (and a fair share of its historical elements) mostly rest on errors and wrongful myth

Well, what is left to christianity after that? Exactly, nothing. Congrats, you just debunked every religion on the planet.

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but that's a different story.
Nope, not at all. That's all religion is about. Some braindead ****tards claim:

"I AM CLOSER TO GOD THAN YOU. HE TALKS TO ME, I SWEAR. YOU NOW NEED TO OBEY MY COMMANDS (WHICH OF COURSE COME DIRECTLY FROM GOD)

See, the origin of every religion is easily explained and it all boils down to a big fat scam, no matter what you believe
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:09 AM   #72
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Your beliefs are completely irrelevant.




Well, what is left to christianity after that? Exactly, nothing. Congrats, you just debunked every religion on the planet.



Nope, not at all. That's all religion is about. Some braindead ****tards claim:

"I AM CLOSER TO GOD THAN YOU. HE TALKS TO ME, I SWEAR. YOU NOW NEED TO OBEY MY COMMANDS (WHICH OF COURSE COME DIRECTLY FROM GOD)

See, the origin of every religion is easily explained and it all boils down to a big fat scam, no matter what you believe
Why are you writing in big letters and using hyperbole? You seem to have issues.

No, beliefs are not irrelevant and you don't actually hold that opinion - or you'd be dead a long time ago.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:34 AM   #73
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Why are you writing in big letters and using hyperbole? You seem to have issues.
No, that would be you and your beliefs


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No, beliefs are not irrelevant and you don't actually hold that opinion - or you'd be dead a long time ago.
Funny how you left out the reason why they are not irrelevant. Very telling. Also funny why you claim I would be dead by now and also leave out the reason.
Must be some game the apologists are playing. Always use vague language so no one can call you out.

Also: I believe that every religious person is a child molester. Given the fact that it's not only me who believes this, is must be automatically true. Too bad, it seems that belief is a ***** who can come right back at your face, huh?
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:05 AM   #74
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Your beliefs are completely irrelevant.
So are yours


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Is this what you believe?
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:18 AM   #75
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No need for this thread,please lock it..keep all your opinions to yourself..faith is personal,nobody right or wrong..

PS. go back to your own "book",if you don't have one,then read something else
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