Calling stuff a scam is an essential part of certain kinds of scams.

That's certainly not a bad way to live your life.

Yes others believe this. But putting it directly into the quote confuses the meaning to make it seem like the bible is saying that humankind has no free will to refuse which is not the intention here imho. It like saying that casinos have such power that they can force people against their will to be addicted to gambling rather than what is more correct is that people can either refuse or to choose to be addicted. (Not that casinos are Satan btw).

I was responding to the 1% of it I understood.

Oops

No he is right Jesus was world changing.

How can you say Jesus life and death which initiated Christianity, the most powerful religion in money and power and influence to have ever existed, is not world changing...

If he is not world changing who is. Two thousand years latter and he is still influencing the world.

Sure, I wouldn't disagree that the crucifixion, and the events you listed, are of historical significance. I'd say that 2 was a world-changing event. It's possible even at that point that Christianity might have died out and been forgotten. Strange to think that the decision of one man, a change of mind in fact, had such a huge impact on our world.


Ok, not sure I agree but don't know enough to argue it. This is something I do want to explore at some point though, it's always been slightly confusing for me.

Agree (naturally, given that I don't believe in the Christian god and I'm more willing to accept other reasons for the success of Christianity), I think everything just fell into place the same way it does for politicians sometimes. Right place, right time, right combination of circumstances.

Ok, fun is over

Invisible skydaddy has his people under control. I'm out (of this thread )

Its you who has to be under control of something if you say Jesse was not world changing. Strong delusion probably out of hate for religion there.

LOL, strong claims from someone who believes in jebus and his skydaddy without a shred of evidence. Seems like the delusion is all yours, but that is what I meant with my last post.

Keep believing!

Im an atheist or agnostic depending how you define them.

I got a wrong text once from somebody who called me "daddy".

I replied "wrong number or I am in for a surprise."

Oh, now you care about the strength of claims and the evidence to support them? Also, if you have to explain what your posts mean, the failure is yours.

You're going to have to do a lot better than this. Stick around, this forum could seriously raise the level of your game if you're prepared to put your pride aside and learn from the smarter posters here.

Every religion is self debunking, if you haven't figured that out, then maybe the failure is yours.


And with that you mean yourself and your posts, I suppose No, thank you very much.


I did not even read your answer in the AI/consciousness thread, cause I won't engage any freaky predictions of the future based only on woo and "yeah, but what if". I know you did not produce anything of value there, how could you? Best you may have done is create a silly and worthless argument on "who predicts the future better".

If you like predicting what will happen in 50 years from now, maybe you can make a nice side income at your local county fair.
I'll be most likely dead in 50 years, so I could not care less about your opinion on when a functional AI will be "ready for action".

If it happens way earlier, so be it, I'll be the first to say "Well, looks like I was wrong" but until then there is no point in playing stupid guessing games based on half assed information.
Learn what a computer is, how it works and realize that putting consciousness and/or intelligence into a MACHINE is harder than you or your futurology buddies may think. Good luck with your beliefs about AI

Also: Given the technological advances humanity made so far, I predict a solar powered car/spaceship that can make a roundtrip to the moon with one battery charge. This is going to happen within the next 15 years and anyone who disagrees is just uninformed.

Then why are you even here?

My entire contribution to that thread boils down to 'Prove what you're saying Zit'. I have no idea what all the other stuff you mentioned is or where it's coming from, I certainly didn't say any of it.

No, I haven't figured it out, care to explain it to me?

No, not me. Stick around, maybe you'll figure it out.

Let's debate some of the illogical statements in the Bible and use this thread to write down anything that's bothering us in the holy scriptures.



For example, the Bible states that God sent Satan to Hell for a 1000 years and when he breaks loose it will be the end of the world.

Well honey, 1000 years are long overdue and nothing happened. Where is your Satan now?

the bible might as well be the conclusion to the Harry Potter series

You are fantasizing about what you think was stated. Read it carefully.

Why are there no Jesus relics that were made in the 1st century AD? NONE. You'd think all eye witnesses would be making sculptures of the guy who's walking on water, healing the sick and resurrecting as if their life depended on it.

It's not a scam, I think most Christians believe honestly. It can be used for scam (and it often is), but I think that makes up for a small portion of Christianity as a whole. I even think a lot of the people who use it for a scam believe their own story as well, we tend to rationalize our actions; few corrupt individuals ever realize they are / were corrupt.

I do believe however that the supernatural elements of Christianity (and a fair share of its historical elements) mostly rest on errors and wrongful myth, but that's a different story.

Your beliefs are completely irrelevant.


Well, what is left to christianity after that? Exactly, nothing. Congrats, you just debunked every religion on the planet.

Nope, not at all. That's all religion is about. Some braindead ****tards claim:

"I AM CLOSER TO GOD THAN YOU. HE TALKS TO ME, I SWEAR. YOU NOW NEED TO OBEY MY COMMANDS (WHICH OF COURSE COME DIRECTLY FROM GOD)

See, the origin of every religion is easily explained and it all boils down to a big fat scam, no matter what you believe

Why are you writing in big letters and using hyperbole? You seem to have issues.

No, beliefs are not irrelevant and you don't actually hold that opinion - or you'd be dead a long time ago.

No, that would be you and your beliefs


Funny how you left out the reason why they are not irrelevant. Very telling. Also funny why you claim I would be dead by now and also leave out the reason.
Must be some game the apologists are playing. Always use vague language so no one can call you out.

Also: I believe that every religious person is a child molester. Given the fact that it's not only me who believes this, is must be automatically true. Too bad, it seems that belief is a bitch who can come right back at your face, huh?

So are yours


Is this what you believe?

No need for this thread,please lock it..keep all your opinions to yourself..faith is personal,nobody right or wrong..

PS. go back to your own "book",if you don't have one,then read something else