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Old 02-27-2017, 02:25 PM   #451
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Also I hear a lot of christians spout if you do not accepts jesus as your lord and savior then you will go to hell. So who's right?
For you id imagine which ever one fits the narrative you are selling.
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Old 02-27-2017, 04:53 PM   #452
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This God you speak of, he is not all knowing? He creates us deaf to him? Then blames us that we can't hear him? Gotcha!!!
Because there's never been a kid who has ignored what their parent was saying. It's obviously the parent's fault.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:47 PM   #453
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It would be a dick move by God though
Why would it be a dick move? I truly don't understand. Giving creatures free will, which greatly enriches creation, entails that some of them will do evil things and turn away from them.

I think anyone who believes in the god of Christianity & Jesus cannot claim to be a competent big-picture thinker (with some excuse given for childhood/social indoctrination, which is powerful), but still. If you're going to argue against it at least use sensible arguments. A God radiating love but creating free will such that people can turn against that is exactly what a world with a God would look like.
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:32 PM   #454
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Why would it be a dick move? I truly don't understand. Giving creatures free will, which greatly enriches creation, entails that some of them will do evil things and turn away from them.

I think anyone who believes in the god of Christianity & Jesus cannot claim to be a competent big-picture thinker (with some excuse given for childhood/social indoctrination, which is powerful), but still. If you're going to argue against it at least use sensible arguments. A God radiating love but creating free will such that people can turn against that is exactly what a world with a God would look like.
I misread your notion of God, my objection was to a God that would reward or punish you in the afterlife while providing little or no evidence of his existence.
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Old 02-27-2017, 11:31 PM   #455
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what is free will?

doesn't everyone act according to their nature?

if my actions are determined by things inside me, what exactly is "free" and how could I have acted other than how I did?

if there was an alternative to determinism and randomness, why would we even want it?
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:38 AM   #456
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apparently God told some woman I don't know to tell me Jesus loves me

why doesn't he tell me himself instead of sending his silly minions?

if he's omniscient he has my email address

Why do we never hear about someone going up to a random person and saying, "God told me to have sex with you and procreate"? These intrusive Divine Commands never seem to go any further than talking.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:16 AM   #457
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Why would it be a dick move? I truly don't understand. Giving creatures free will, which greatly enriches creation, entails that some of them will do evil things and turn away from them.

I think anyone who believes in the god of Christianity & Jesus cannot claim to be a competent big-picture thinker (with some excuse given for childhood/social indoctrination, which is powerful), but still. If you're going to argue against it at least use sensible arguments. A God radiating love but creating free will such that people can turn against that is exactly what a world with a God would look like.
That's all fine and dandy until you are on the bad end of that situation. I mean is that what you tell a victim of rape or torment? Is that what they should be dealing with because God thought it was a good idea to enhance us with such people?
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:19 AM   #458
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what is free will?

doesn't everyone act according to their nature?

if my actions are determined by things inside me, what exactly is "free" and how could I have acted other than how I did?

if there was an alternative to determinism and randomness, why would we even want it?
You don't always act on things inside you do you? I mean if you really crave ice cream but are on a diet, you might go for some or you might think twice and remember you are dieting.
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:22 PM   #459
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That's all fine and dandy until you are on the bad end of that situation. I mean is that what you tell a victim of rape or torment? Is that what they should be dealing with because God thought it was a good idea to enhance us with such people?
Just tell them that we also observe rape in nature, and therefore it's natural.
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