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03-18-2016 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
When there is a beautiful and lovely princess holding a glass of unicornwater....
BWHAHAHAHAHA! LOL! Dude, you're trolling is A+. There is no way you are for realz. Top notch!
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03-18-2016 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
Well shahrad, either you're one hell of a troll, on some good drugs, or one of the most insane individuals I've ever conversed with.
Why do children leave their parents home?
Either they have to or they feel secure enough without them. Those who did feel they can do it well enough without them did never stay at parental home, did they?
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03-18-2016 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
No prize the mountain is meaningless and worthless.
This is true. As climbers think that climbing the mountain is the way to reach the rapture, the climbers love the mountains too. If they expected fire at the end of their adventure, they would avoid the mountains or even hate the mountains.
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03-18-2016 , 07:24 PM
Its not true. The mountain is enough. Stop being greedy.

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03-18-2016 , 07:36 PM
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BWHAHAHAHAHA! LOL! Dude, you're trolling is A+. There is no way you are for realz. Top notch!
Let me explain the whole concept of religions in a way which is easy to understand:
We sit in a car (body) and the car is out of our control and is going to crash into a wall. We know there is no chance to survive it. The only chance to survive it (even if it doesn't guarantee that we survive) is jumping out of that car.
Now theists say: Jumping out of the car is the only chance.
And the atheists response: Prove that we don't die when we jump out of the car.
And some other atheists say: I feel good enough in the car, why should I leave the car?
The atheists don't believe that the car if not today so tomorrow will crash in the wall. Otherwise they would try everything to jump out of that ****ing car too.
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03-18-2016 , 07:44 PM
I've witnessed and experienced some awkward, ineffective attempts at proselytizing before, but this thread may have even stopped qualifying as an attempt.
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03-18-2016 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
Let me explain the whole concept of religions in a way which is easy to understand:
We sit in a car (body) and the car is out of our control and is going to crash into a wall. We know there is no chance to survive it. The only chance to survive it (even if it doesn't guarantee that we survive) is jumping out of that car.
Now theists say: Jumping out of the car is the only chance.
And the atheists response: Prove that we don't die when we jump out of the car.
And some other atheists say: I feel good enough in the car, why should I leave the car?
The atheists don't believe that the car if not today so tomorrow will crash in the wall. Otherwise they would try everything to jump out of that ****ing car too.
Some theists tell me no jump necessary, universalist.

Some theists tell me there is no surviving. Mostly Jewish but not even all Christians believe in an afterlife.

As far as the atheists. You put them in a way that helps your cause and often wrong too.


Im with the universalist. And think its absurd a God would have jumps. What his love cant save all...
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03-18-2016 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
Let me explain the whole concept of religions in a way which is easy to understand:
We sit in a car (body) and the car is out of our control and is going to crash into a wall. We know there is no chance to survive it. The only chance to survive it (even if it doesn't guarantee that we survive) is jumping out of that car.
Now theists say: Jumping out of the car is the only chance.
And the atheists response: Prove that we don't die when we jump out of the car.
And some other atheists say: I feel good enough in the car, why should I leave the car?
The atheists don't believe that the car if not today so tomorrow will crash in the wall. Otherwise they would try everything to jump out of that ****ing car too.
To expand a bit on this:
The problem is being in the car and driving the car (existing and free choice) is on its own very sweet and as long as we don't see the wall we don't believe in the wall even if we know there will be a wall. This all changes when we see the wall but than it is already too late to leave the car.
Just like someone who smokes cigarettes. He doesn't believe he will get lunge cancer if he would believe it out of fear he would avoid cigarettes. Knowledge doesn't help when one doesn't believe.
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03-18-2016 , 08:10 PM
The atheist in the fox hole will never die based on how many times its been beat.
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03-18-2016 , 08:15 PM
As said a grade F stays a grade F no matter how skillful we try to sell it as an A.
Body ends up in a grave or alike no matter if we say it doesn't. We become angry/frustrated/bored/old/weak/sick... no matter how much we emphasize how satisfied we are.
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03-18-2016 , 08:22 PM
You really dont understand atheists or theists. Still...
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03-18-2016 , 09:14 PM
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You really dont understand atheists or theists. Still...
Of course I don't understand any of them but you might still not mind when I also try to make clear what the concept of Jesus is about as far as I understand it.

I think the following poem from Parvin Etesami describes it best:
Planting every moment in the garden of life colorful flowers
And having in that auspicious flower garden a gardener (Jesus)
Till eternity educating our heart for kindness
and having life in our body to sacrifice it for others.

Some might say everything good but why do we need a gardener?
1) Hell is loneliness
2) Hell is also being with someone who plants spiders although batair might object as a universalist what is wrong with spiders they are gods creations too. Nothing but I prefer someone who knows how to care for a beautiful garden full of colorful flowers.

Of course there are atheists who teach better and more beautiful concepts but this one is not so bad either.
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03-18-2016 , 11:39 PM
Im not a universalist. I think if there is a God with an eternal afterlife it would make the most sense. Number two would be some kind of conciseness or intelligence barrier. Belief and faith...makes no sense to me since God would know thats not completely under our control, but long shots happen. Still cant flip some switch for belief so. meh..

I know conciseness or intelligence barrier is not really under control but it seems different.

That car is crashing and there aint no way out for me afaik so ill enjoy the ride the best i can like the doc and hope if there is a God with extra innings hes not as exclusive as some believers have him. If not still all good its a cool ride.

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03-18-2016 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
Let me explain the whole concept of religions in a way which is easy to understand:
We sit in a car (body) and the car is out of our control and is going to crash into a wall. We know there is no chance to survive it. The only chance to survive it (even if it doesn't guarantee that we survive) is jumping out of that car.
Now theists say: Jumping out of the car is the only chance.
And the atheists response: Prove that we don't die when we jump out of the car.
And some other atheists say: I feel good enough in the car, why should I leave the car?
The atheists don't believe that the car if not today so tomorrow will crash in the wall. Otherwise they would try everything to jump out of that ****ing car too.
Don’t fret, friend, suffer an hour, live for an age! that’s how it is, my dear fellow.
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03-19-2016 , 02:32 AM
The pie in the sky waiting for me when I die, for 10% of my income and in some cases my whole family too. Sounds like a great way to scam people by appealing to the fear of the unknown and the fear of death.

Just to love your neighbors requires nothing but an individual effort to do it. Not profitable at all to book-peddlers who want ( or need) to build even bigger churches.
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03-19-2016 , 02:52 AM
New Testament Scriptures :
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
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03-22-2016 , 06:27 AM
If we had not religion to console us life would be very sad.
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03-22-2016 , 11:47 PM
Religion is not required for joy.
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03-23-2016 , 10:43 PM
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The claim is wrong since i do find happiness. I know its not the real happiness or love of believers, but even fleeting it will do. .
What you are describing is faking happiness. Anyone can do that, especially the very dumb.

The fact that you can find a strong enough reason to justify your existence in such a ugly and shallow thing is rather sad, though. I guess you must be the best one to know that you don't deserve more.

All those brave men that have shed their blood over the centuries, fighting for humans rights and freedom, so you can fully enjoy your life filled with forced happiness (and real narcissism); and of course letting everyone know about how awesome it is and you are.

Here's one thing I can tell you about happiness, that will enable you to know that this is it if it comes: you won't be able to differentiate it from 'real happiness' or 'believers-only kool-aid happy juice'. The idea of comparing or trying to quantify this very feeling won't even cross your mind.

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03-23-2016 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Religion is not required for joy.
When discussing religion its relationship with faith is almost always brought up as a requirement for the other.

It is a lie. In fact the only reason religions exist in the first place is to give people with a lack of faith somewhere to hide. Maybe this is why they all feel the need to spend their holidays inside (churches and such).

Now what's this got to do with joy? Faith, obviously, and as always.
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03-23-2016 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by WTFIJustDid
What you are describing is faking happiness. Anyone can do that, especially the very dumb.
Im not faking as far as i know. So it must be im dumb which if works. Same difference.

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The fact that you can find a strong enough reason to justify your existence in such a ugly and shallow thing is rather sad, though. I guess you must be the best one to know that you don't deserve more.
Finding happiness in the universe and trying to enjoy life the best you can in spite of the crap it puts on you is not shallow. Its a part of humanity that im sure is pretty deep...really.

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All those brave men that have shed their blood over the centuries, fighting for humans rights and freedom, so you can fully enjoy your life filled with forced happiness (and real narcissism); and of course letting everyone know about how awesome it is and you are.
There is noting forced about the happiness my family (dad a vet who served at hamburger hill...) and friends bring me. Or a nice spring day after a long winter.

Im not even sure in all cases its under my control or if you can turn your happiness on and off...well drugs...

Also fwiw i dont think im awesome.


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Here's one thing I can tell you about happiness, that will enable you to know that this is it if it comes: you won't be able to differentiate it from 'real happiness' or 'believers-only kool-aid happy juice'. The idea of comparing or trying to quantify this very feeling won't even cross your mind.
I was not comparing i was making i joke. Believers will sometimes tell me my happiness is fake or not genuine or shallow. So the joke.

This will be my only post too you as im trying to cut out the out right rude. tc

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03-24-2016 , 06:19 AM
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It is a lie. In fact the only reason religions exist in the first place is to give people with a lack of faith somewhere to hide. Maybe this is why they all feel the need to spend their holidays inside (churches and such).
Ah, my dear friend, our divine Saviour’s words, that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God, are terribly true.

Let us read the Epistles and Gospels. Let us not seek to penetrate what mysteries they contain; for how can we, miserable sinners that we are, know the terrible and holy secrets of Providence while we remain in this flesh which forms an impenetrable veil between us and the Eternal? Let us rather confine ourselves to studying those sublime rules which our divine Saviour has left for our guidance. Amen
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03-24-2016 , 12:22 PM
War what is it good for....
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03-25-2016 , 01:57 AM
that fictional character that died on the cross? hapty humpty might as well be in the bible as well because to me he and Jesus are the same.
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