Christ, the Son of God, came down to earth and told us that this life is but for a moment and is a probation; yet we cling to it and think to find happiness in it. How is it that no one realizes this?

"All men seek happiness. This is without exception. Whatever different means they employ, they all tend to this end... This is the motive of every action of every man, even of those who hang themselves.
And yet, after such a great number of years, no one without faith has reached the point to which all continually look...
A trial so long, so continuous, and so uniform, should certainly convince us of our inability to reach the good by our own efforts...
What is it, then, that this desire and this inability proclaim to us, but that there was once in man a true happiness of which there now remain to him only the mark and empty trace, which he in vain tries to fill from all his surroundings, seeking from things absent the help he does not obtain in things present? But these are all inadequate, because the infinite abyss can only be filled by an infinite and immutable object, that is to say, only by God Himself."
- - Blaise Pascal, “Pensées,” VII, 225 (X, 148).

Prove it

Why would one worship a figurehead out of vanity, while one can apply in practice and experience perfect love themselves and need no vain glory ( or another one's permission) to do so?

And who is no one?

It has been written in the Bible

Just a few questions:

1. You said this "Christ", "came down to earth..." Where did he come from? How did he travel to earth?

2. You said this "Christ" "told us that this life is but for moment..." Who is "us"? Who did he tell this to?

3. You said "..no one realizes this.." What is "this"?

Are you saying that humans don't "realize" that someone named "Christ" who was allegedly a son of someone named "God" allegedly came from an unknown location to "earth" and allegedly told "us" that "...life is for a moment and is probation."

OK...well...I've heard similar tales of this before, but, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's my understanding that no basis of fact has been provided to substantiate that a human named "Christ" was the son of a "god".

Additionally, I understand that there is a book called the "Bible" that has stories of this person named "Christ", but it's my understanding that there has not ever been any facts presented to substantiate that the person named "Christ" was truly the son of an imaginary being that allegedly resides in a mythical place they call "heaven." I've also heard of similar "Christ" stories in other religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and ancient Egyptian religions.

What total condescending arrogant BS. Some mythic being places us on "probation" before we're born, then requires boot-licking obeisance to some how "release" us from some penalty we don't deserve.

ROFLMAO

I stopped buying this crap before I was 10.

All your questions makes me believe that you are incurable in your false believes. You obvious believe in science and the universe and don't understand the most simple things about God's work. The cause of everything is that which we call God.

Science, including philosophy, cannot establish man’s relationship to the infinite universe, or towards its origin, if no other reason than that before any kind of philosophy or science could come into existence there must have been that, without which it is impossible to have any kind of mental activity, or any kind of relationship whatsoever between man and the universe. Only believing in God all the above become understandable.

Your assumption of my alleged "false believes" is not correct. I'm not saying I believe anything; I was merely asking questions.

I never said I "believe in science and the universe." Just curious, do you not "believe" in science and the universe?

I don't have an "understanding" of the "most simple things about God's work", which is why I asked the questions about this person named "Christ" and his alleged father by the name of "God."


So with that said, can you answer the questions so I can have the understanding, which as you state, I apparently lack.

Also a few follow up questions:

1. What is the "work" that this "God" does?

2. So, you opined that the "cause of everything" is "call[ed]" "God". Not sure what you mean by that. So, if I understand you correctly, when the Kalamazoo shooter murdered six people on February 20, 2016 that was "God" who caused that and not the shooter himself?

"Christ, the Son of God, came down to earth and told us that this life is but for a moment and is a probation; yet we cling to it and think to find happiness in it. How is it that no one realizes this?"
Is the same as:
A unicorn once said we don't try catching air with our hands because it doesn't work. But we try to find happiness with clinging to life although it doesn't work.

When the claim is right, the source is irrelevant.
For example: When one is dying because of thirst and someone gives us something to drink, we don't ask who he is. We just take the water.

possibly, but its the claim he is challenging, not the source

Those who sleep well and eat healthy and do healthy things and are wealthy and powerful, it doesn't take long and they die too. And all they did care for was for nothing. Although for some thousand years they might have a beautiful grave.

To shahrad's post: WTF? Those aren't even close to the same.

MamaRolex said that this guy named "Christ" allegedly came "down" to earth, said to "us" that life is a "probation". Then MamaRolex says "How is it that no one realizes this?" If "this" means that I should believe that some guy came from somewhere besides the earth and told me that life is a "probation", then I'm going to damn well want to know who the hell this guy is and what the hell he is talking about.

If I walk down the street right now and someone comes up to me and says "Hello stranger, my name is Ghrist and I come to this planet Earth from a place they call Neaven and I want to let you know your life is nothing but a probation period for your eternal life in Neaven." Do you think I'm going to believe anything this kook has to say without proof that he is correct in this statement? Hell yeah I would want proof.

I forgot about the part with "probation", sorry.
Everyday several times we ask our self: should I or should I not?
So it is at least very close to a test/examination/probation. We of course always try to get an A but we are not sure if a unicorn will ever give us a grade too.
Most of the time we know instinctively that it will get an F but we try everything to disguise it as an A. And as long as we are not sure that with a high probability we can get away with our camouflage, we will not commit F.

So your saying that one who is wealthy, powerful, well rested, and properly nourished is living a life that is meaningless, i.e "for nothing?" Seems to me that that many of these qualities are positive traits in one's life in which they can use to benefit themselves, their families, their friends, and their communities. Seems like a pretty good life to me, and I wouldn't say that those traits are "for nothing."

And why do you think these qualities equate to someone who will "have a beautiful grave?" What if they are cremated?

The father of my sisters husband was very rich. When he got cancer, nothing helped. And now when I visit his grave and ask him if he can remember the good times he had outside the grave he cannot answer, he doesn't have a tongue never mind a mouth to answer.
Another point is: When someone is rich and is going to die, all people around him only think on their share of heritage and cannot await his death. How beautiful and worthwhile.
His son told me once when he entered his room that he told him to piss off as he was only there because of his heritage. The rich when faces death he only sees vultures surrounding him, son and daughter, brother and sister already don't exist anymore.

"Another point?" What was the first point? That rich dead guys can't talk?

So with this statement, you are saying that you know the thoughts and you can speak for "all people" that ever been in this situation? So you're telling me that when my father died that I couldn't wait for him to die so I could have his money. Do you understand that's what you are saying?

You also know the thoughts and feelings and can speak for all "rich" people when they face death?

Also, what do any of these stories have to do with Mama's original post?

The claim is wrong since i do find happiness. I know its not the real happiness or love of believers, but even fleeting it will do.


Fwiw God, if you exist, even if the believers hate your universe you created for them, for the most part i like it. Thanks.

Humans are humans as such they have all the same nature. And as such it is only a matter of feeling more secure with him or without him. This will decide.

Well shahrad, either you're one hell of a troll, on some good drugs, or one of the most insane individuals I've ever conversed with.

When one feels good why should one visit a doctor?
Fwiw, believers don't hate the universe. Just like climbers don't hate the mountains. The mountains cause suffering but without overcoming them they would not experience the rapture. Because of the "rapture" they love the mountains too.

Preventive care?


They hate it enough that its not enough. They want a better gift. Least some.

Preventive care is a sign of fear (vulnerability, weakness). So it falls under the same category.

As believers believe in Gods unlimited mercifulness why should they be with anything less than seeing god's countenance satisfied? When there is a beautiful and lovely princess holding a glass of unicornwater which gives me eternal life in happiness and joy why should I stay at home? I would rather go and knock on her door and do whatever she wants in the hope, I get the chance to see her.
And when she sees I don't dare to see her and am happy with my home, why should she invite me?

Or in other words their love of the universe and climbing that mountain is conditional on an eternal prize at the peek. No prize the mountain is meaningless and worthless.

They dont love the mountain or God imo.. they love the prize. Eternal existence.