Sure there is a flawed logic. There is also logic to what IsIs spree killers do.

It is not really fair to compare someone who is a theist with Isis. Isis is obviously an extreme example. I also, don't think it really has to do with them worshiping god or being apart of a religion. I think if that were some kind of atheist country the results would be the same. They grew up knowing nothing but violence, poverty and war... Any society subjected to that kind of life is going to have similar results.

It is a perfectly fair comparison. It is not like Christians haven't done their fair share of evil in the name of their God.

Also IsIs is now a world wide phenomenon and many of their followers are willing to sacrifice their own lives to "punish the Infidels" so saying that it doesn't have to do with Islam and their belief in their God is not correct imo. Many of their recruits are from first world country's where they have decent living standards but still join this radical Islam.

The same is true for atheists that have done so for the 'greater good' and The State ... what's your point?

Should a theist associate you w/ Stalin?

If you want to rail against organized religion have at it, but you do yourself and others a disservice when you condemn individuals tangentially

Some of the higher ups in organized religion actually hold atheistic views in the same way a politician professes to be from a religion but internally does not

You're also conflating theist w/ Christian, they're different terms for a reason

Let's say, for example, that a global flood happened. The way that you argue, you would accept that evidence of a global flood would be "confirmation" of the God of the Bible. The physical evidence left by the global flood is "confirmation."

The physical evidence left by the act of creation is confirmation of the act of creation.

I'm hoping to get you to parse the evidential problem you're facing. What evidence "confirms" creation other than creation itself?

My point is simple. The same process of "flawed logic" or faith is the same in IsIs members as in any other religion.

Because, we do not know if there was a creation to begin with. Your question already starts with an unfounded assumption. This is circular reasoning.

Most theists live their life in peace just like most atheists do.

Aron, let me give you an analogy that may demonstrate my point better.

Say I argued that all life came from natural causes (like abiogenesis for example) I can not use the fact that there is life as an argument for abiogenesis. I have to demonstrate abiogenesis first.

Like I said, a theist isn't necessarily in a religion

http://atheism.about.com/od/religion...n/a/theism.htm

I am not sure what your point is, he said he was a christian.

I am not a Christian, and the point is belief in god or religion are not the cause of their violence. There are other factors. Poverty, war and lack of education being the main factors.

I meant Aaron.

As for the violence thing, people are capable of the most horrendous things when they think they have the backing of their respective Gods.

I think it's pretty clear what my point is

You use terms interchangeably in error

Again ... like I said,

People do horrendous things for their respective 'State'

Some of the people who do horrific things for their religion also don't believe what their religion espouses

Basically man does horrific things because they are man. You can ascribe whatever motive you want to them.

That alone does not show any flaw in the logic of theism, that's quite the leap

You're really bringing up some groundbreaking stuff by saying people commit atrocities in the name of organized religion tho

Is believing in the 'State' illogical too?

You're basis for the claim is that people do bad things. That would mean that many things are illogical.

The numbers for organized religions are dropping. I think in large part to the internet. So I think its worth repeating over and over again the bad that religions bring on the world.

I am a Native north American and my people had many atrocities done to them in the name God, so I have no interest in trying to sugar coat what I think of religion.

Look at the state of the world. Greed and stupidity are rampant bringing us to the edge of our own destruction. So yes many things are illogical.

Ok cool, as I said

But your recent post doesn't really have anything to do with

You seem to be conflating a belief in god w/ religion.

Do you care to make an argument for the above w/o bringing up religion? Why specifically is believing in a god illogical?

So you believe anarchy is the answer?

Or do you believe that fundamental human nature is illogical?

If so ... what does that have to do with a belief in god?

No anarchy is not the answer, the good in people is. For example if a plane crashes and a couple hundred people die it is a huge tragic event, but to me the 20,000 people dying of starvation everyday is much more tragic. Mostly due to the fact that it is preventable. But not if people shrug their shoulders and think its Gods will.

God is not going to save us, if we are to survive as a species we will have to save ourselves and it starts by giving a **** about each other.

Ok i'm right on board with you

But you understand none of that conflicts with a belief in a passive god, right?

Everything you've been saying has been fine it's when you then make the leap to saying that believing in god is illogical that you err in my opinion.

If your definition of god is the God of the Bible (at least a literal interpretation) then again I agree with you. The about-face from the Old Testament to the New Testament is illogical in my opinion.

I don't know if there's a god, no one does. I just think you're painting with far too wide of a brush and/or aren't being specific enough with your word choice and conflating terms.

It also seems that anyone that believes there's maybe a higher power or creator you automatically envision the Inquisition, Crusaders, and Holy War Jihadists.

Fair enough. To be clear I have no problem with people being spiritual or their belief in a God. I only have a problem with organized religion.

Good talk

Thanks I enjoyed our chat as well.