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Originally Posted by zumby
I don't see the relevance. Where is the empirical and philosophical justification for your comment that "it's all one process" and more importantly how does it support your wider claim that "there is no such thing as consciousness". I'm not disputing that processes affect other processes.
If two processes feed into each other, affect each other, and are inextricably linked with each other, in what way are they not the same process? Other than you arbitrarily delineating it.
My comment about processes was not mean to support my wider claim that there is no consciousness. And I make no claim that it does support it.
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Cognitive neuroscientists believe that networks of neurons "do the cognizing". So apparently you think neuroscientists study something that doesn't exist?
I also commented on this when i talked about how
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"I find this hard to relate to science, which seems to say that the brain is the seat of consciousness. Thoughts are always coming up saying "well, something must be conscious, brains are needed for consciousness" and so on"
On introspection, I have no experience of "neurons doing the cognizing", and yet it seems rational to think that the brain must be the seat of consciousness
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Neeeel, would you agree or disagree with this:
"You find that there is no separation between what is photosynthesised, and what is doing the photosynthesising. Furthermore, there is no "thing" that is doing the photosynthesising."
Because, to me, those look like equivalent (and equally ridiculous) claims.
I would agree.
Can you have photosynthesis without a plant?
can you have photosynthesis without water? without sunlight?
Is the plant "doing" the photosynthesis? like is it actively working to make it happen? Or is it just happening when the right conditions( plant sunlight water) happen?
Can you have a plant without earth? Can you have liquid water without the conditions that support the existence of liquid water. Can you have sunlight without a sun , and an ozone layer to filter out the damaging UV light?
Can you have any of these things without a big bang and billions of years of cosmic and earth based evolution?
Photosynthesis is just the label we put on part of the process. But it doesnt exist of its own right. It doesnt exist inherently as a thing. Things cant exist where the conditions dont support them existing.