LOL ... it appears, and I may have some responsibility.

Though - I think it demonstrates something important regarding the concept of debate - can you really debate with individuals when there is no tolerance for another point of view?

I guess, what is the purpose of debating with people who have no intention to debate, i.e., participate in a discourse, and dismisses what is said as an for the individual's intellectual position. In such an environment - is there any benefit to a debate?

I don't think it's a matter for public discussion.

It's an individual decision. Gays should be allowed to explore their own individual consciences on this question without any peer pressure whatsoever.

I'm not a control freak trying to control them via politics. People will do things under the table whether or not you're for or against them.

I think your right to be born again is your primary right though. It comes before any other right. It comes before your right to pursue happiness. In fact your right to pursue joy could depend on it.

so you didn't read this post or look at the links.

no that sounds like silliness actually.

because we are not interesting in anything other than fueling conflict. the debate of religions is one that purposefully cannot be won.


Hey look the worlds problems in a nutshell!

Great, so you have some apologetics for why you are unwilling to act to prevent the disgusting homophobia latent in our society. i stand by my earlier comment, in that case.

I'm not a homophobe.

Homophobia is a scientific term that never should have been adopted by the mainstream.

It is actually a psychological condition that has nothing to do with a reasoned opinion.

But political activists wanted to perjoratively represent all anti-gay rights people as crazy.

Gay people have the same right as anyone else to decide whether or not they will put God first in their lives or not.

But activists have stirred the pot so much now they probably don't even realize they have this right any more.

When you put God first then you start to put other people ahead of yourself.

Rights activists have put the horse ahead of the carriage.

Except they do NOT have the same rights as everybody else to marry. And you seem perfectly willing to do NOTHING about this disgusting discrimination and I can't see any possible way that someone would be willing to allow disgusting discrimination to occur without batting an eye and not be a homophobe, your protestations to the contrary.

Their battles with the flesh are their battles.

They're no different from anyone else. Everyone has battles with the flesh.

Some people are drug addicts, gluttons, alcoholics, nymphomaniacs, smokers, etc.

The cure for battles of the flesh is walking with Jesus and reading the bible to learn how to overcome obstacles. Don't gays have an individual right to determine their own priorities or not and what God wants them to do?

There are gay believers and they have a right to sort their own priorities. My getting in their business isn't going to help them sort that out. I don't know enough about them and their struggles to be up in their business all the time.

But gays as a category aren't some special exception to the human race. Isn't that their argument? That they aren't exceptions to the human race?

its sounds like you are though

any other words like that you can give as examples?

agreed

aren't they crazy though?

when we say rights we're talking about laws, we don't have laws against religious belief.

Did you say activists (or gays) don't realize they have rights to be Christian?

As long as they are straight and it doesn't go against your beliefs?

The fact that you're conflating homosexuality with problems that need a "cure" is not at all surprising.

Ha, you are right, I didn't read the links... But, I would just go back to my earlier position - more in the way of discourse.

I do not think all the world's religions are closed off, BTW. Look at Buddhism... If you have a direct experience that is contradictory to the teachings you are supposed to discard the teaching.

Nope. The homophobes have taken away the right for them to marry. You seem unwilling to cast a vote against this.

I don't think homosexuality is a choice.

People are born homosexuals the way some people are born with addictive personalities.

They're both in the brain.

Though if you're a smoker the smoking industry tried to keep you addicted with additives to appeal to your addiction.

Don't the gay rights activists obfuscate a gay's right to be born again? Making it of little to no significance?

But you seem to consider homosexuality a 'problem' the same way smoking or gluttony is a 'problem'. Hint: it's not.

You really think a homosexual can't be born again because they're "in sin" or something? This just isn't true.

What an incredibly shocking and bigoted post.

Hypothetically, if a person were in favor of a civil union that incorporated all of the rights of heterosexual marriage such as property rights, hospital visitation rights, etc. but opposed the term "marriage", would you consider that "homophobia"?