Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official

06-20-2013 , 03:54 PM
"Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official."

"It is good that the negativity of atheism is seen for what it is by the US Citizenship and Immigration Services."

"Most atheists reject religious principles and morals and replace it with hedonism."

This is getting to the point where a new thread dedicated solely to cwocwoc quotes may be warranted a la the Splendour quote thread...
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
Just so we know that you're not just making up stupid stuff. Please show your work. That is... you say most atheists replace morals with hedonism. Let's ignore the fact that one is not the opposite of the other, please demonstrate some sort of proof that most atheists are hedonistic. A good quality study will suffice.

Also- The statement "Of course atheism is negative. It's disbelief in something (God)." is, of course (by design) incredibly stupid. Christians don't believe in Zeus... therefore Christians are negative? LOL I'm pretty sure everyone disbelieves something... by your definition, everyone is negative. Thereby making your use of the word 'negative' relatively meaningless.

Evil and Satan are not really the same. And Satan is merely a character specific to abrahamic religions. One can have a concept of evil without any knowledge or reference to Satan.

Can we all agree that Cwoc is just trolling?
Why do you need a study when it's all around you ? Atheist societies are knee-deep in illegitimate children, nudity, wine, women and song (and gambling).

Atheists believe in no God at all. That's very negative but interestingly I have never heard any of them renouncing Satanism. That's a "deity" who is after their own heart so it would appear lol rofl. Most atheists are just drop-outs who use their disbelief as an excuse to behave like moral slackers. Well not me. I uphold the principles of religion and lead a good life even though rationally I can't see that one God is any better than the next and I can't understand how believers can be so precise about it. This is all serious stuff even if it's expressed with a touch of lightness and humour so no name-calling please kurto.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
Why do you need a study when it's all around you ? Atheist societies are knee-deep in illegitimate children, nudity, wine, women and song (and gambling).

Atheists believe in no God at all. That's very negative but interestingly I have never heard any of them renouncing Satanism. That's a "deity" who is after their own heart so it would appear lol rofl. Most atheists are just drop-outs who use their disbelief as an excuse to behave like moral slackers. Well not me. I uphold the principles of religion and lead a good life even though rationally I can't see that one God is any better than the next and I can't understand how believers can be so precise about it. This is all serious stuff even if it's expressed with a touch of lightness and humour so no name-calling please kurto.
LOL thanks again for the concession
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
Why do you need a study when it's all around you ? Atheist societies are knee-deep in illegitimate children, nudity, wine, women and song (and gambling).
CITE?

Actually I asked for that before and you failed to provide. So let's just laugh at me for thinking this was anything more then something you pulled out of your rear.

Quote:

Atheists believe in no God at all. That's very negative but interestingly I have never heard any of them renouncing Satanism.
I can only refer to anecdotal evidence but I've known a lot of atheists and not a single one of them believes in Satan. They reject all of the religious figures, good and bad, as works of fiction.

Once again, making up silly stuff doesn't advance your point.

Quote:
That's a "deity" who is after their own heart so it would appear lol rofl.
And now you know what's in the hearts of millions of people. Where did you achieve your mystical powers? Please cite anything that shows what the heart of an atheist is and how it aligns with a fictious character?

Quote:
Most atheists are just drop-outs who use their disbelief as an excuse to behave like moral slackers.
Drop outs? Um... drop outs from what?

Please show evidence how atheists act like moral slackers?

Quote:
Well not me. I uphold the principles of religion and lead a good life even though rationally I can't see that one God is any better than the next and I can't understand how believers can be so precise about it. This is all serious stuff even if it's expressed with a touch of lightness and humour so no name-calling please kurto.
my name calling is usually very specific and related to specific posts. You're making up stupid stuff repeatedly so calling a spade a spade...

Please cite evidence for a single thing you've asserted. If you had reasonable evidence for anything you posted you wouldn't be mocked by pretty much every other person who reads your posts.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
And now you know what's in the hearts of millions of people. Where did you achieve your mystical powers? Please cite anything that shows what the heart of an atheist is and how it aligns with a fictious character?
You must be mistaken. He wouldn't judge whats in the heart on man since he follows religious principles and one of those principles is not to do that.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
CITE?

Actually I asked for that before and you failed to provide. So let's just laugh at me for thinking this was anything more then something you pulled out of your rear.



I can only refer to anecdotal evidence but I've known a lot of atheists and not a single one of them believes in Satan. They reject all of the religious figures, good and bad, as works of fiction.

Once again, making up silly stuff doesn't advance your point.



And now you know what's in the hearts of millions of people. Where did you achieve your mystical powers? Please cite anything that shows what the heart of an atheist is and how it aligns with a fictious character?



Drop outs? Um... drop outs from what?

Please show evidence how atheists act like moral slackers?



my name calling is usually very specific and related to specific posts. You're making up stupid stuff repeatedly so calling a spade a spade...

Please cite evidence for a single thing you've asserted. If you had reasonable evidence for anything you posted you wouldn't be mocked by pretty much every other person who reads your posts.
You are demanding proof for stuff you see around you every day. THAT'S trolling. I have never heard atheists having a pop at Satanism (which is a truly evil religion). Of course people who lie-in instead of going to church are comparative moral slackers. This forum is full of atheists. Genuinely religious people are hounded out of it and banned.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
You are demanding proof for stuff you see around you every day. THAT'S trolling. I have never heard atheists having a pop at Satanism (which is a truly evil religion). Of course people who lie-in instead of going to church are comparative moral slackers. This forum is full of atheists. Genuinely religious people are hounded out of it and banned.


Cite?
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:53 PM
Here's something to help you make your point cwoc:

Ten countries with highest percentage of atheists:
China
Japan
Czech Republic
France
S. Korea
Germany
Netherlands
Austria
Iceland
Ireland

Ten Most Religious Countries
Ghana
Nigeria
Armenia
Fiji
Macedonia
Romania
Iraq
Kenya
Peru
Brazil

SOURCE

Please show how the higher atheistic countries are knee deep in "in illegitimate children, nudity, wine, women and song (and gambling)."

Surely the Netherlands will be a cesspit of sin and Kenya will be like a paradise. But I'm sure that will be easy for you to demonstrate since you posted so assuredly earlier.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
This forum is full of atheists. Genuinely religious people are hounded out of it and banned.
Do you consider yourself genuinely religious? If so, then the fact that you're currently posting here is evidence against the claim.

If you're not, are you an atheist? Then you're part of the problem.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
Of course people who lie-in instead of going to church are comparative moral slackers.
In what way? How does lying in on a sunday make you morally corrupt?
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
You are demanding proof for stuff you see around you every day. THAT'S trolling. I have never heard atheists having a pop at Satanism (which is a truly evil religion). Of course people who lie-in instead of going to church are comparative moral slackers. This forum is full of atheists. Genuinely religious people are hounded out of it and banned.
Once again you have failed to cite anything. You don't see what you're saying. In fact, most evidence I have seen shows that the atheists are underrepresented in prison and their societies tend to rate better in things like social justice, humanitarianism, sexual equality, etc. I see the exact opposite of what you say which is why I'm trying to get you to show your work. Don't get me wrong, I know you can't. Its just fun seeing you continue to not be able to do so and I enjoy highlighting how clearly you are full of it.

Quote:
I have never heard atheists having a pop at Satanism (which is a truly evil religion).
Why would they? Outside of movies there is no satanists in our lives. They are not political figures. I'm pretty sure most people don't know any satanists. I suspect most of us (outside of you of course who seems to just intuit things) have no idea if its 'truly evil' since its practically a non existent religion. Please note- There are approx 4200 religions in the world and I have never heard most atheists take pops at the vast majority of them. What would the point be?

Quote:
Of course people who lie-in instead of going to church are comparative moral slackers.
I see. Not going to church is moral slackery. You're begging to be mocked. You'll have to define moral slackers for me. I didn't realize morality centered aroudn going to church.

Quote:
This forum is full of atheists. Genuinely religious people are hounded out of it and banned.
What does the makeup of this forum have to do with the topic?

First off- people are only banned when they repeatedly violate the TOS. Its amusing that you blame the people who do get banned on the forum and not on their behaviour. Second... there are a number of religious people who have been here for years. And quite a number of them pretty much never get hounded. The ones who get hounded are the kind who repeatedly post mock worthy dribble. I assume you're trying to go down that road?
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
www.theblaze.com

Surely the Netherlands will be a cesspit of sin and Kenya will be like a paradise. But I'm sure that will be easy for you to demonstrate since you posted so assuredly earlier.
"TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news, information, and entertainment television network (and affiliated properties) founded by talk radio personality Glenn Beck."

Great source. People go to the Netherlands for the sin !
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neeeel
In what way? How does lying in on a sunday make you morally corrupt?
He's already explained that you just need to look around you.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
"TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news, information, and entertainment television network (and affiliated properties) founded by talk radio personality Glenn Beck."

Great source. People go to the Netherlands for the sin !
No cite on the religious people who were banned from this forum?


Looks like you and Beck have more in common then you would like.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
Here's something to help you make your point cwoc:

Ten countries with highest percentage of atheists:
China
Japan
Czech Republic
France
S. Korea
Germany
Netherlands
Austria
Iceland
Ireland

Ten Most Religious Countries
Ghana
Nigeria
Armenia
Fiji
Macedonia
Romania
Iraq
Kenya
Peru
Brazil

SOURCE

Please show how the higher atheistic countries are knee deep in "in illegitimate children, nudity, wine, women and song (and gambling)."

Surely the Netherlands will be a cesspit of sin and Kenya will be like a paradise. But I'm sure that will be easy for you to demonstrate since you posted so assuredly earlier.
I've gotta admit, I'm pretty amazed that Ireland is in the top 10
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
"TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news, information, and entertainment television network (and affiliated properties) founded by talk radio personality Glenn Beck."

Great source.
I see... so you are disputing the information of a poll because it was posted on the blaze? Is this really how you avoid justifying all the nonsense you post? You do realize that the information was just reporting a Gallup International/Worldwide Independent network poll, right? Wait... if you knew that you wouldn't be trying to dismiss it that way. HINT: Glenn Beck didn't research the poll or have anything to do with gathering the information. He just reported the results of a published study. Wow. You really look horrible.

PSST: That same study is referenced in dozens of news organizations and journals. Do the facts work better for you if I link to the washington post? CSmonitor? Ha. So sad...

So... now we can proceed with you finding other ways to avoid showing how everything you post isn't just trolling nonsense.

Quote:
People go to the Netherlands for the sin !
Wow. Another hard hitting fact filled reply by Cwoc. You truly are the new Splenda.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:42 PM
y do u guise even botha?

Last edited by fretelöo; 06-20-2013 at 05:42 PM. Reason: intended misspellings to save e-trees
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Husker
I've gotta admit, I'm pretty amazed that Ireland is in the top 10
its their love of illegitimate children and nudity.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
I have never heard atheists having a pop at Satanism (which is a truly evil religion).
Ignoring the ways in which this is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time on 2+2, I'm a bit curious as to how Satanism is a truly evil religion. Could you educate me a little and tell me what it is that Satanists do that's so bad?
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 05:58 PM
Apparently it's not that official.

Approved

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...been-approved/
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Apparently it's not that official.

Approved

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...been-approved/
Nice. I guess hedonism is alive and well in the good ol US of A. I assume she's bringing with her to America a chest of nudity, booze, gambling and decadent sin.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 06:12 PM
And song! How can you leave off the terrible immorality that is music?!
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Husker
I've gotta admit, I'm pretty amazed that Ireland is in the top 10
If the question were put to me I would challenge the lists because a few dont look right to me. Like where is Iran which is ruled by religion and afaik pretty much everyone there is religious. I would have expected to see India and the Philipines on the most religious list too. France and Ireland on the top 10 atheist countries by percent is a bit fishy too.

But regardless are there not mods in this forum who ban people for insulting all atheists by calling them immoral and then refuse to even try and back that claim up instead claiming it is self evidence? Really? The religiousness of America compared to Europe and the highest incarceration rate on the planet let alone just compared to Europe would give me huge pause before making such bold claims so he is either trolling or you are grossly ignorant and need to educate yourself which is best achieved by forcing him to go try and find some kind of evidence.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
I see... so you are disputing the information of a poll because it was posted on the blaze? Is this really how you avoid justifying all the nonsense you post? You do realize that the information was just reporting a Gallup International/Worldwide Independent network poll, right? Wait... if you knew that you wouldn't be trying to dismiss it that way. HINT: Glenn Beck didn't research the poll or have anything to do with gathering the information. He just reported the results of a published study. Wow. You really look horrible.

PSST: That same study is referenced in dozens of news organizations and journals. Do the facts work better for you if I link to the washington post? CSmonitor? Ha. So sad...

So... now we can proceed with you finding other ways to avoid showing how everything you post isn't just trolling nonsense.



Wow. Another hard hitting fact filled reply by Cwoc. You truly are the new Splenda.
Hello Earth to kurto your list isn't evidence of anything. A rather more sophisticated method needs to be used but it's unnecessary because we all know who the sinners are between those who stick to the straight and narrow and those who don't.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote
06-20-2013 , 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I don't see the connection between your thread title and this post (and its links). Would you care to explain in more depth what it is you are trying to convey?
*bump*. "This post" refers to the OP.
Atheists in the US can't be moral - it's official Quote

      
m