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04-14-2015 , 12:54 PM
Many atheists are atheists because of wishful thinking. They would rather believe there is no god than believe in an evil god. A minority of atheists are atheists because of their scientific mindset. They are people who also believe other hurtful things like the lack of free will. I’m not talking about them. But if you believe in a god it’s logical to believe in an evil god even if you are deist instead of theist. Look how much evil is in the world including natural evils like earthquakes. If the world was made by intelligent design God is responsible for evil. They can’t believe in an evil god so because of wishful thinking they become atheists.

Do you agree?

Many atheists who post on religion forums aren't so atheist as they think they are. They have doubts so this is why they are posting. A real atheist probably wouldn't frequent religion forums so much because they would be so sure they are right they wouldn't search for other posts to confirm their thinking. Do you agree?
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04-14-2015 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Many atheists who post on religion forums aren't so atheist as they think they are.
Disagree, many seek amusement or believe they will help their fellow man by convincing there is no god.
Impossible to know why the majority, do x but it is really a bad assumption to start believing they are not atheist because they use their time in religious discussion.

Some people hate public education, believe it should be way better and put their time and energy into trying to make it better.
The goal is on the other side of the rainbow.

Last edited by iosys; 04-14-2015 at 01:47 PM.
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04-14-2015 , 05:32 PM
Come on man get real. You are seeing things that are not there. Take earthquakes for example. They are a natural process with no intent good or evil.
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04-14-2015 , 07:04 PM
What's a "real atheist"?
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04-15-2015 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Come on man get real. You are seeing things that are not there. Take earthquakes for example. They are a natural process with no intent good or evil.
This is what I’ve read on an atheist website (that earthquakes are evil). Suppose this universe was created by intelligent design. The creator chose to make earthquakes. Wouldn’t that make you think its purpose was to make evil?

There are many people who believe in a good god and many people who are atheists. But almost no one believes in an evil god. Shouldn’t that % be higher? Maybe this indicates that the ones who may believe in an evil god can’t do this and they prefer atheism instead.
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04-15-2015 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
What's a "real atheist"?
Someone who is 100% sure there is no god, no after life. Some will say atheism is only about god but in practice atheists don't believe in after life.
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04-15-2015 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
This is what I’ve read on an atheist website (that earthquakes are evil). Suppose this universe was created by intelligent design. The creator chose to make earthquakes. Wouldn’t that make you think its purpose was to make evil?

There are many people who believe in a good god and many people who are atheists. But almost no one believes in an evil god. Shouldn’t that % be higher? Maybe this indicates that the ones who may believe in an evil god can’t do this and they prefer atheism instead.
Maybe it indicates that the theists are looking for a hopeful reason behind the madness? Bad events are easier to handle if there's some benevolent ultimate cause behind it.

I can't completely dismiss your OP because the problem of evil is an argument often used by atheists. Of course the POE doesn't work unless God is assumed to be benevolent.

The main problem with your posts is that you're assuming to know not just more about what people believe than what you can evidence, but also complicated reasons for it. You may well be right about some people, but I don't think you're justified in stating it with any confidence.
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04-15-2015 , 07:58 AM
Hey! i always thought the devil was the evil god!, huh silly me.
And sweeping atheists on one big pile is not very fair either.[except a minority that is, right?]
And asking why theist/deists don't think there is an evil god,or god can/is [be] evil, because there is so much evil in the world, is answering in many ways why atheist believe there exists no god.

And for earthquakes, you only have to search in the world of science of nature and in the science of the universe/space[too find out how the earth is came in existence, and of what materials it was/is made] and you know all you need to know IMO.
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04-15-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Someone who is 100% sure there is no god, no after life. Some will say atheism is only about god but in practice atheists don't believe in after life.
Im an agnostic again!!
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04-15-2015 , 12:20 PM
How can you explain many atheists see religious figures (God, Jesus) during near death experiences? Or hell? If they don’t really believe at all in Jesus, devils, etc. why do they see them? Many NDEs are a function of expectation. If you expect you will meet with hinduism gods there are bigger chances you see hinduism gods in NDEs. If atheists really didn’t believe religious things at all they wouldn’t see God, Jesus, hell, etc. in their NDEs. I read on a site that about half atheists from a sample saw Jesus. This is a very high percent for a group that don’t believe in religion.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/atheists01.html
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04-15-2015 , 12:24 PM
Is this a peer-reviewed study or just the ramblings of a random guy on the internet?
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04-15-2015 , 12:40 PM
Didn't click it, but the second one.
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04-15-2015 , 12:57 PM
If you know a peer-reviewed study I would be interested in a link.

The percent of true atheists who see Jesus in a NDE or God or the hell should be 0%. I don't know the exact percent but there are many atheists who saw religious figures when none of the atheists should have seen anything religious.
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04-15-2015 , 01:07 PM
I've read on many sites about atheists NDE. A peer-review study is difficult to make since these experiences are so subjective and many are more interested in explaining what is the reason they happen.

Here is what I found on a physics forum: "First of all, the most important conclusion I reached is that nothing makes much sense when it comes to NDEs and OBEs. I was surprised, shocked actually, when I discovered how strongly the content of those experiences are shaped by culture. Now I'm not talking about things like Christians seeing Jesus in NDEs, which are more or less obvious; cultural influence goes far beyond religious beliefs. Or perhaps I should say, we have more religious beliefs than we are aware of. Even skeptics and atheists are extremely religious without realizing it. That last point will probably sound controversial, so let me elaborate. When you look at NDEs and OBEs, you find the contents of the experiences are more or less consistent regardless of what a person professes to believe. Many atheists "see Jesus" during an NDE and are therefore converted to Christianity after the experience; all the same, many deeply religious people find themselves confounded as a result of an NDE. Expectations do play a role, but not in a way that would seem obvious."

https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...ations.119258/
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04-15-2015 , 01:11 PM
According to your "logic" if someone drastic happens to my brain chemistry (eg. drugs) and I start to see Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny then that means I secretly always believed in the existence of those.
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04-15-2015 , 03:03 PM
Near death experiences have no significance and are equally comparable to dreams people share at night. The obvious difference is when epinephrine and other chemicals that simulates sectors of the brain are released in a near death experience.

There is no "proof" that the bible is truth or if Jesus or God really exists like the mainstream typically believes.

It is impossible to measure the likelihood of having a human existing world purposely created, compared to having a human existing world that was just a byproduct of rules put into play when creating the universe.

Humans deciding on using a book to keep each other in check or to create one of the most wealthiest organizations on the world is equally possible to the book actually being real.

In the end, whatever pleases you individually is probably all you need to be religious or not. Trying to say x makes "most" atheists not atheists is ridiculous.

Albert Einstein -
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“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me.”
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04-15-2015 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Many atheists are atheists because of wishful thinking. They would rather believe there is no god than believe in an evil god. A minority of atheists are atheists because of their scientific mindset. They are people who also believe other hurtful things like the lack of free will. I’m not talking about them. But if you believe in a god it’s logical to believe in an evil god even if you are deist instead of theist. Look how much evil is in the world including natural evils like earthquakes. If the world was made by intelligent design God is responsible for evil. They can’t believe in an evil god so because of wishful thinking they become atheists.

Do you agree?

Many atheists who post on religion forums aren't so atheist as they think they are. They have doubts so this is why they are posting. A real atheist probably wouldn't frequent religion forums so much because they would be so sure they are right they wouldn't search for other posts to confirm their thinking. Do you agree?
Most atheists are atheists because they simply want proof!!! Proof before believing in fairy tales SIMPLES!!!!!!
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04-15-2015 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
This is what I’ve read on an atheist website (that earthquakes are evil). Suppose this universe was created by intelligent design. The creator chose to make earthquakes. Wouldn’t that make you think its purpose was to make evil?

There are many people who believe in a good god and many people who are atheists. But almost no one believes in an evil god. Shouldn’t that % be higher? Maybe this indicates that the ones who may believe in an evil god can’t do this and they prefer atheism instead.
Isn't an evil god called satan in biblical terms?
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04-15-2015 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
If atheists really didn’t believe religious things at all they wouldn’t see God, Jesus, hell, etc. in their NDEs.
Really? Perhaps you should think this through a little more.

Atheists in Catholic countries see Mary in their NDEs.
Atheists in Protestant countries see Jesus.
Atheists in Muslim countries see Mohammed.
Atheists in Hindu countries see Shiva.
Etc., etc., etc.

You don't see a pattern here....? The human mind, particularly when it is deprived of oxygen, can't make up some really crazy s**t.
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04-15-2015 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Someone who is 100% sure there is no god, no after life. Some will say atheism is only about god but in practice atheists don't believe in after life.
Not true, even Richard Dawkins who is very atheist still is not 100% atheist because he cant prove the non-existence of god. I must say though that he also can not dis-prove the invisible monster living under your bed!
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04-15-2015 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
How can you explain many atheists see religious figures (God, Jesus) during near death experiences? Or hell? If they don’t really believe at all in Jesus, devils, etc. why do they see them? Many NDEs are a function of expectation. If you expect you will meet with hinduism gods there are bigger chances you see hinduism gods in NDEs. If atheists really didn’t believe religious things at all they wouldn’t see God, Jesus, hell, etc. in their NDEs. I read on a site that about half atheists from a sample saw Jesus. This is a very high percent for a group that don’t believe in religion.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/atheists01.html
Why don't they see any religious figures when they are completely SANE, when nothing is wrong with them???? As you point out they are near death, most likely on a lot of drugs/painkillers, people hallucinate. Lots of things going on in that person's brain! There are countless studies been done with people in these situations, it is nothing new or the least bit of evidence of a god.(which you clearly think).
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04-15-2015 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
How can you explain many atheists see religious figures (God, Jesus) during near death experiences? Or hell? If they don’t really believe at all in Jesus, devils, etc. why do they see them? Many NDEs are a function of expectation. If you expect you will meet with hinduism gods there are bigger chances you see hinduism gods in NDEs. If atheists really didn’t believe religious things at all they wouldn’t see God, Jesus, hell, etc. in their NDEs. I read on a site that about half atheists from a sample saw Jesus. This is a very high percent for a group that don’t believe in religion.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/atheists01.html
Warning some sarcasm in this post!
Is that what it takes nowadays to prove god exists. God needs people on their deathbed completely gone insane from drugs/painkillers, gasping for their last breath, almost cometised, starvation of oxygen to their brains, etc etc etc etc....
Well if this person tells me god exists when he escapes his near death experience well that would make it definitive for me! He is after all completely sane and logical under those circumstances.
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04-15-2015 , 03:34 PM
The truth: Religion is nothing more than a very pathetic cop-out. It is for people who are weak minded that can not deal with reality!
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04-15-2015 , 03:37 PM
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Humans were genetically engineered by aliens.

Even your deluded scientists you worship have said this. Not to mention atheism is also a religion and a belief system being displaced from a foundation of truth

http://news.discovery.com/space/alie...ode-130401.htm

Both today's Scientific and Religious views of reality are incomplete, which is why there is still both a Scientific view and a Religious view of reality while REALITY is REALITY and therefore is a singularity and not a duality. Both need to be reexamined and then combined to create a total which is greater than the sum of the parts, such that one can find out where " THEY ", in the Governing position, actually are. If you can not resolve the (E)instein (P)odolsky (R)osen (EPR) Paradox, then you know not of the source, you know not of the location of those in the Governing position. If you can not explain what Einstein called " Spooky action at a distance ", then you know not of the source, you know not of the location of those in the Governing position. If you do not truly know what a Prophecy is, and therefore not know how a future can be predicted, then you know not of the source, you know not of the location of those in the Governing position. If you do not know the mechanics of a so called " Miracle ", then you know not of the source, you know not of the location of those in the Governing position.
Wrong wrong wrong! Atheism is not a religion at all!
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04-15-2015 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsar of Russia
The truth: Religion is nothing more than a very pathetic cop-out. It is for people who are weak minded that can not deal with reality!
You can believe whatever you want but if you think you have a good read on the mental capacity of theists you are the one who can not deal with reality.
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