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12-25-2009, 12:23 AM
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old hand
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Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
By Richard Dawkins?
Is this his best book or should I get his other ones?
How would Christians feel while reading the book?
I have a little sister who I felt got "converted" to Christian at an early age and should be given a chance to see things from a different perspective. I know most people would agree we shouldn't press out beliefs onto others, but I feel this is different.
Last edited by Fist Pump; 12-25-2009 at 12:29 AM.
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12-25-2009, 12:24 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
Yes.
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12-25-2009, 12:28 AM
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veteran
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
You can have mine. I think there's still a few pages that I haven't wiped my ass with.
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12-25-2009, 03:58 AM
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old hand
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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12-25-2009, 04:07 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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Originally Posted by BigErf
You can have mine. I think there's still a few pages that I haven't wiped my ass with.
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Yea, I know how you feel. Have offered many people pages from the bible in my house as rolling papers. So cost efficient, A+, would recommend to you.
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12-25-2009, 04:19 AM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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Originally Posted by Fist Pump
By Richard Dawkins?
Is this his best book or should I get his other ones?
How would Christians feel while reading the book?
I have a little sister who I felt got "converted" to Christian at an early age and should be given a chance to see things from a different perspective. I know most people would agree we shouldn't press out beliefs onto others, but I feel this is different.
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You should read his other ones. I've read and enjoyed Selfish Gene, Blind Watchmaker, River out of Eden, and I'm looking forward to reading Greatest Show on Earth, which I was given for Christmas. Dawkins is a great writer who excels at making complicated ideas fascinating and easy to understand.
He's also quite funny, which comes out a lot in TGD. I enjoyed it even when I read it as a Christian (admittedly, quite a weak one). Theists who find it vehemently offensive often haven't read it and are actually just reacting to the title or to a stereotyped image of Dawkins in general. I suspect most strong Christians who take the time to read it would find it difficult to disagree with with many of Dawkins' arguments, but nevertheless feel they're being 'straw-manned' on several fronts (for instance, every argument for the existence of any form of deity Dawkins considers is patently ridiculous and treated as such). I would only recommend TGD to a Christian who is already quite open-minded, logical, skeptical, or who doesn't take themselves too seriously.
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12-25-2009, 07:01 AM
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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Originally Posted by BigErf
You can have mine. I think there's still a few pages that I haven't wiped my ass with.
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ive never seen a christian committed pot head, unless that avatar means something else
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12-25-2009, 09:59 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
I actually was not a huge fan of The God Delusion. I am a fan of Dawkins, especially when it comes to biology (though admittedly I am more in the Stephen Jay Gould camp). The book is great as a supplement, but not very good for somebody just beginning to look into the questions of theism/atheism. I would suggest starting with The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan or Losing Faith in Faith by Dan Barker. Sagan's DHW is definitive for an intro into skepticism, but there does not seem to be an equally good starting point for the arguments for atheism (aside from skepticism being an intro into atheism itself) and against Christian apologetics (which is one of the main reasons I am considering writing such a book atm).
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12-25-2009, 12:13 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
I've read The God Delusion and four other recent books covering basically the same ground. Here are the titles:
Dawkins, Richard. The God Delusion (2006)
Dennett, Daniel C. Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon (2006)
Harris, Sam. The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason (2004)
Hitchens, Christopher God Is Not Great: How Religion Spoils Everything (2007)
Stenger, Victor J. God: The Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows that God Does Not Exist (2007)
The best of the bunch is God: The Failed Hypothesis followed by the Dawkins book, then The End of Faith, then Breaking the Spell, with God Is Not Great last. (IMHO of course.) They're definitely worth reading.
As for Dawkins the biologist I would recommend all of his books that I have read:
The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution (2004)
A Devil's Chaplain: Reflections on Hope, Lies, Science, and Love (2003)
The Extended Phenotype: The Long Reach of the Gene (1982)
River Out of Eden(1995)
The Selfish Gene (1976)
Unweaving the Rainbow: Science, Delusion and the Appetite for Wonder (1998)
The Ancestor's Tale is the longest and the most ambitious. It could serve as his magnum opus. A Devil's Chaplain is a revealing and entertaining collection of essays on various subjects. Possibly the most technical is The Extended Phenotype. The most famous of course is The Selfish Gene, but I must say that the title is only a metaphor and it is now generally accepted that to limit natural selection to the level of the gene is arbitrary.
Dawkins is a brilliant man, a wonderfully entertaining writer and very knowledgeable on a wide range of subjects. His only weakness is an inability to see the spiritual side of religion, but then again most Christians--indeed most people who practice religion--fail to see the spiritual.
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12-25-2009, 12:42 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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Originally Posted by Fist Pump
By Richard Dawkins?
Is this his best book or should I get his other ones?
How would Christians feel while reading the book?
I have a little sister who I felt got "converted" to Christian at an early age and should be given a chance to see things from a different perspective. I know most people would agree we shouldn't press out beliefs onto others, but I feel this is different.
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It's a decent book.
His most recent one - "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution." is probably better, but is a different subject obv.
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12-25-2009, 04:29 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
Have only read "the Blind Watchmaker" by Dawkins, and it was good and can be recommended.
As for more theologically oriented works, I can't really see why agnostic atheism (atheism that opposes revealed religion) should need a book. It's a very simple and straighforward position.
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12-25-2009, 06:12 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
The first 2 chapters were slowww, but it's sped up afterwards and more enjoyable now (currently around chapter 5)
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12-25-2009, 07:18 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Have only read "the Blind Watchmaker" by Dawkins, and it was good and can be recommended.
As for more theologically oriented works, I can't really see why agnostic atheism (atheism that opposes revealed religion) should need a book. It's a very simple and straighforward position.
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If you are talking about my post, the book I am considering writing would mostly be a very straightforward response including my objections to the most common apologetic arguments.
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12-26-2009, 11:04 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
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Originally Posted by Deorum
If you are talking about my post, the book I am considering writing would mostly be a very straightforward response including my objections to the most common apologetic arguments.
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No, I was not responding to your post.
I'm a bit hazy as to who is whom these days, so I mean no insult but might I ask about your background and which academic perspective the book would come from?
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12-26-2009, 12:37 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Anyone read "The God Delusion"?
I'm just an enthusiast who sees numerous logical fallacies in the common Christian apologetic arguments. I think I could fairly clearly and concisely describe what they are.
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