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Old 11-18-2016, 02:30 AM   #1
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American Christianity's Response to Donald Trump

I feel as through this topic might deserve its own post-election thread. There is definitely a process of theological reevaluation (or reiteration, as the case may be) by the American Christian community that has started in response to Donald Trump's victory.

Here's a few things to get this started.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ders-feel.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ch...idency-171468/

https://www.facebook.com/FranklinGra...04046609651517

Also, here is a useful bit of data from another thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=127

I'm particularly interested in seeking out articles by black and Hispanic Christians.
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Old 11-18-2016, 02:58 AM   #2
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One more article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...cal-community/
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Old 11-18-2016, 05:57 AM   #3
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Interesting read. I would say the division mr. Trump creates both in the political spectrum and your country as a whole as apparent also in the religious communities.

I think your nation has some troubled years ahead. I think the promised "break with the establishment" will cause politicians to shift further to the poles and measure loyalty by "distance to the other side" and I think their rhetoric is going to influence how your citizens talk about each-other and to each-other.

And maybe ironically I think about the only way out that mess is to hope that the division mr. Trump is going to spread will be so brutal that it breaks up the traditional political blocs, perhaps those quotes you linked are an indication of that.
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Old 11-18-2016, 12:06 PM   #4
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Interesting read. I would say the division mr. Trump creates both in the political spectrum and your country as a whole as apparent also in the religious communities.
Yes. What's most telling about it is that the religious communities are splitting along racial lines. This is actually not a new phenomenon, but it's something that has now risen to a higher level in the American Evangelical consciousness. It's not something that can be ignored any longer.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ber2/1.34.html

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I think your nation has some troubled years ahead. I think the promised "break with the establishment" will cause politicians to shift further to the poles and measure loyalty by "distance to the other side" and I think their rhetoric is going to influence how your citizens talk about each-other and to each-other.

And maybe ironically I think about the only way out that mess is to hope that the division mr. Trump is going to spread will be so brutal that it breaks up the traditional political blocs, perhaps those quotes you linked are an indication of that.
Sadly, I agree with the assessment that we should expect problems moving forward. What types of problems remain to be seen. But I don't have much of a sense of optimism.

One of the areas I'm pushing the hardest right now in my own circles is trying to convince white Evangelicals that since "they" won the election that they really have to step up in their advocacy on behalf of minority and other vulnerable communities. Silence on some issues will be seen as tacit approval, and they are going to own the fallout from it. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much progress will be made.
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:56 AM   #5
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Semi-relevant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ef878c93d2cd

It seems the pope is calling out Donald Trump and Myron Ebell, though not directly, on the issue of climate change.

This is definitely interesting stuff, both theologically (the responsibilities of a Church) and politically (the influences of a Church). Personally I applaud this, too many religious leaders have tried to capitalize on anti-intellectual sentiments and this type of message is very refreshing. I also think it is very politically savvy in the long-term, though I'm not claiming that is somehow the intent.

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Old 02-11-2017, 03:51 PM   #6
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http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...fugee-ban.html

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The open letter, published Wednesday as a full-page ad in The Washington Post with more than 100 of the signatories listed, was notable for two reasons. First, it contained only conservative evangelicals, instead of the mix of progressive names that usually sign such open letters. And second, topping the list were Tim Keller and Max Lucado—two well-known and well-respected pastors and authors who rarely speak out on political matters.

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Three key takeaways from the executive order’s implications and evangelical reactions so far:

1) Evangelical leaders overwhelmingly oppose the four-month refugee freeze and resettlement reduction.

2) American evangelicals at the grassroots are much more evenly split.

3) Regardless of the court fight, fewer persecuted Christians will find refuge in America under Trump’s plan.
Here's the open letter:

https://www.worldrelief.org/press-re...ee-resettlment
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:26 PM   #7
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:57 AM   #8
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WASHINGTON, DC – More than 100 Christian leaders from across the United States are calling on Congress to avoid disproportionate cuts to America’s foreign assistance programs.

In a letter to the House and Senate leadership, the signers write: “It is our moral responsibility to urge you to support and protect the International Affairs Budget” noting “we cannot turn our back on those in desperate need.”

The signers – representing the Catholic and evangelical communities – include national leaders, pastors, heads of faith organizations, recording artists and authors. Cardinal Timothy Dolan and Rev. Samuel Rodriguez – who spoke at the 2017 Inauguration – also are among the signers.

As the budget process moves to Capitol Hill, the leaders stress that America must remain that “shining city on a hill” that “brings hope to the poor, hungry, [and] the vulnerable.”
Full letter quoted in the link.
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Old 05-13-2017, 03:06 PM   #9
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I'm curious to see whether any op-eds will be written about this speech or about Liberty University in the next week.

https://apnews.com/6407aebf31f54e1f99f811e10c839c99

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Delivering his first commencement address, President Donald Trump on Saturday urged graduates of a Christian university to follow their convictions but to also be willing to stand up to criticism from others who don’t have the courage to do what is right.

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Drawing parallels to what was widely viewed as a longshot bid by Trump for the presidency, he urged the more than 18,000 graduates to fight for what they believe in and to “challenge entrenched interests and failed power structures.” A crowd of more than double that size filled an outdoor stadium on campus to welcome just the second sitting president to address the university’s commencement.

“Remember this: Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy,” Trump said. “Following your convictions means you must be willing to face criticism from those who lack the same courage to do what is right, and they know what is right but they don’t have the courage or the guts or the stamina to take it and to do it.”
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:26 PM   #10
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A Southern Baptist Convention proposal to condemn a white nationalist group drew some backlash during the convention’s annual meeting on Tuesday when a committee first declined to bring a proposed resolution to a vote.

But Southern Baptist leaders worked on the language late last night, and the convention will vote Wednesday at 5:45 p.m. Eastern time on the resolution condemning the alt-right movement — a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state.

The debate over the resolution highlights the many divisions within the denomination around the election of President Trump, which put the spotlight on white supremacists among his supporters. While several Southern Baptist leaders have served on Trump’s evangelical advisory board, many younger Southern Baptists — including the denomination’s Ethics and Religious Liberty president Russell Moore — vocally opposed his candidacy.

Many evangelicals of color have said they feel alienated by such high white evangelical support for Trump and have asked leaders to condemn those who support him who are racist. The Southern Baptist resolution was written by Dwight McKissic, a black pastor from Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, Tex., who said he wanted the denomination to make it clear they had no sympathy for the alt-right.

“I saw people identifying themselves as Southern Baptist and members of the alt-right, so this is horrifying to me,” McKissic said. “I wanted the Southern Baptist Convention to make it very clear we have no relationship to them. I thought it would be a slam dunk, but I misread Southern Baptists apparently.”

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Last night, Moore and Steve Gaines, the president of the SBC, worked with the committee to shape the language of the proposal so it could be voted on today. Moore and Gaines declined to comment on the resolution before it came to a vote.

Moore said, however, that he was encouraged by Tuesday’s decision to revisit the resolution. “They recognize that white supremacy in this alt-right guise is dangerous and devilish and we need to say something,” Moore said.
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Old 06-15-2017, 02:51 AM   #11
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Wish they would of said something by not voting for someone endorsed by David Duke and most other white supremacists/extreme right leaders.
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Wish they would of said something by not voting for someone endorsed by David Duke and most other white supremacists/extreme right leaders.
I find that statement to be ridiculous.

The Communist Party USA issued a statement for members to vote against Trump. So, if someone didn't vote for Trump, are they supporting communism?

I'm sure all the wackos on the far left supported Hillary over Trump, and
now we've got these same sick wackos going on shooting sprees against Congressmen.
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Old 06-15-2017, 11:49 PM   #13
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I find that statement to be ridiculous.

The Communist Party USA issued a statement for members to vote against Trump. So, if someone didn't vote for Trump, are they supporting communism?

I'm sure all the wackos on the far left supported Hillary over Trump, and
now we've got these same sick wackos going on shooting sprees against Congressmen.
I didn't say they were supporting white supremacy by voting trump. I said i wish they did not vote for a guy who has them as some of his biggest supporters.

Although they do own some of the responsibility for the rise in hate crimes against minority's. And all else their vote results in.


Whats more messed up is the reasoning for me. They mostly voted for someone as despicable as trump because of abortion. Fair enough i understand how important that is to them.

But what they did is something i was always told by them is a no no. They used one sin, trump, to fight another, abortion. For some reason the sin of birth control to fight abortion is wrong but the sin of trump to fight it is right. And ironically their vote will lead to more abortions anyway...least short term.

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Old 06-16-2017, 01:33 PM   #14
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Although they do own some of the responsibility for the rise in hate crimes against minority's. And all else their vote results in.

Was there a rise in hate crimes against minorities? I know that right after the election there were lots of claims of hate crimes. I know that a lot of them turned out to be not hate crimes, or were hoaxes.
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If you dont want to believe they are rising, fine. Takes a lot of faith but ok.
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Was there a rise in hate crimes against minorities? I know that right after the election there were lots of claims of hate crimes. I know that a lot of them turned out to be not hate crimes, or were hoaxes.
Obviously, be aware of the fact that tracking these crimes is notoriously difficult (classification is already a tough one) and reporting is inconsistent. But I don't think any organization that tracks this stuff is saying that the level has been steady compared to previous years. It may be leveling off after a spike, but it has yet to come back down.

https://thinkprogress.org/thinkprogr...d-e0288ed69869

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...mpaign-n733306

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/...-radical-right

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7537616.html
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If you dont want to believe they are rising, fine. Takes a lot of faith but ok.
thats why I asked a question.
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Yeah but you ask by using right wing propaganda talking points which makes me not that interested in answering. Both fake hate crimes and real ones can be up so pointing out the fake ones is no more then a nonsense tool to dismish real ones.
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I've heard many people say it was the choice of the lesser of two evils, but as I recall there were seventeen candidates seeking the Republican nomination, so does that make Mr. Trump the least of 18 evils?
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I've heard many people say it was the choice of the lesser of two evils, but as I recall there were seventeen candidates seeking the Republican nomination, so does that make Mr. Trump the least of 18 evils?
At what point in time were they (the "many people") making that statement? Your (incorrect) observation here is a feature (bug?) of the American primary system.

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Yeah but you ask by using right wing propaganda talking points which makes me not that interested in answering. Both fake hate crimes and real ones can be up so pointing out the fake ones is no more then a nonsense tool to dismish real ones.
Right wing propaganda? Are you saying that there were no fake claims, or that none turned out not to be hate crimes? You dont just get to label stuff "right wing propaganda" and throw it away. If thats the case I can just ignore anything you say as "left wing propaganda"
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Right wing propaganda? Are you saying that there were no fake claims, or that none turned out not to be hate crimes? You dont just get to label stuff "right wing propaganda" and throw it away. If thats the case I can just ignore anything you say as "left wing propaganda"
No there are fake hate crimes and it would not surprise me if the rate went up.

Whats that got to do with real hate crimes going up? And why did you bring fake ones up?
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No there are fake hate crimes and it would not surprise me if the rate went up.

Whats that got to do with real hate crimes going up? And why did you bring fake ones up?
You made a claim that hate crimes went up, and linked that either to donald trump, or people who voted for donald trump.


Isnt it pretty obvious why I brought up the fake hate crimes?
If hate crimes rose 100%, and 80% of them are hoaxes, then the rate only rose 20%. Yes, that still leaves 20% , but as aaron, and the articles he linked, point out, it is difficult to draw direct correlations , for various reasons.

further, the fake ones often specifically reference donald trump, eg "I was harassed by a group of men wearing Make America Great Again teeshirts", these specifically try to link trump to the rise in hate crimes, the same as you do in your previous post.
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You made a claim that hate crimes went up, and linked that either to donald trump, or people who voted for donald trump.


Isnt it pretty obvious why I brought up the fake hate crimes?
Its obvious why people who say hate claims are not up bring up fake ones. Its to diminish the real ones and make the suggestion they are not up. All the while showing no evidence of their own.

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If hate crimes rose 100%, and 80% of them are hoaxes, then the rate only rose 20%. Yes, that still leaves 20% , but as aaron, and the articles he linked, point out, it is difficult to draw direct correlations , for various reasons.

further, the fake ones often specifically reference donald trump, eg "I was harassed by a group of men wearing Make America Great Again teeshirts", these specifically try to link trump to the rise in hate crimes, the same as you do in your previous post.
Like i said believe what you will. Im not going to defend my statement they are up anymore.
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Its obvious why people who say hate claims are not up bring up fake ones. Its to diminish the real ones and make the suggestion they are not up. All the while showing no evidence of their own.


Like i said believe what you will. Im not going to defend my statement they are up anymore.
I didnt say hate crimes arent up.
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