I feel as through this topic might deserve its own post-election thread. There is definitely a process of theological reevaluation (or reiteration, as the case may be) by the American Christian community that has started in response to Donald Trump's victory.

Here's a few things to get this started.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ders-feel.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ch...idency-171468/

https://www.facebook.com/FranklinGra...04046609651517

Also, here is a useful bit of data from another thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=127

I'm particularly interested in seeking out articles by black and Hispanic Christians.

One more article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...cal-community/

Interesting read. I would say the division mr. Trump creates both in the political spectrum and your country as a whole as apparent also in the religious communities.

I think your nation has some troubled years ahead. I think the promised "break with the establishment" will cause politicians to shift further to the poles and measure loyalty by "distance to the other side" and I think their rhetoric is going to influence how your citizens talk about each-other and to each-other.

And maybe ironically I think about the only way out that mess is to hope that the division mr. Trump is going to spread will be so brutal that it breaks up the traditional political blocs, perhaps those quotes you linked are an indication of that.

Yes. What's most telling about it is that the religious communities are splitting along racial lines. This is actually not a new phenomenon, but it's something that has now risen to a higher level in the American Evangelical consciousness. It's not something that can be ignored any longer.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ber2/1.34.html

Sadly, I agree with the assessment that we should expect problems moving forward. What types of problems remain to be seen. But I don't have much of a sense of optimism.

One of the areas I'm pushing the hardest right now in my own circles is trying to convince white Evangelicals that since "they" won the election that they really have to step up in their advocacy on behalf of minority and other vulnerable communities. Silence on some issues will be seen as tacit approval, and they are going to own the fallout from it. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much progress will be made.

Semi-relevant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ef878c93d2cd

It seems the pope is calling out Donald Trump and Myron Ebell, though not directly, on the issue of climate change.

This is definitely interesting stuff, both theologically (the responsibilities of a Church) and politically (the influences of a Church). Personally I applaud this, too many religious leaders have tried to capitalize on anti-intellectual sentiments and this type of message is very refreshing. I also think it is very politically savvy in the long-term, though I'm not claiming that is somehow the intent.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...fugee-ban.html

Here's the open letter:

https://www.worldrelief.org/press-re...ee-resettlment

https://www.worldvision.org/about-us...ign-assistance

Full letter quoted in the link.

I'm curious to see whether any op-eds will be written about this speech or about Liberty University in the next week.

https://apnews.com/6407aebf31f54e1f99f811e10c839c99

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8e98c7b12c33

Wish they would of said something by not voting for someone endorsed by David Duke and most other white supremacists/extreme right leaders.

I find that statement to be ridiculous.

The Communist Party USA issued a statement for members to vote against Trump. So, if someone didn't vote for Trump, are they supporting communism?

I'm sure all the wackos on the far left supported Hillary over Trump, and
now we've got these same sick wackos going on shooting sprees against Congressmen.

I didn't say they were supporting white supremacy by voting trump. I said i wish they did not vote for a guy who has them as some of his biggest supporters.

Although they do own some of the responsibility for the rise in hate crimes against minority's. And all else their vote results in.


Whats more messed up is the reasoning for me. They mostly voted for someone as despicable as trump because of abortion. Fair enough i understand how important that is to them.

But what they did is something i was always told by them is a no no. They used one sin, trump, to fight another, abortion. For some reason the sin of birth control to fight abortion is wrong but the sin of trump to fight it is right. And ironically their vote will lead to more abortions anyway...least short term.

Was there a rise in hate crimes against minorities? I know that right after the election there were lots of claims of hate crimes. I know that a lot of them turned out to be not hate crimes, or were hoaxes.

If you dont want to believe they are rising, fine. Takes a lot of faith but ok.

Obviously, be aware of the fact that tracking these crimes is notoriously difficult (classification is already a tough one) and reporting is inconsistent. But I don't think any organization that tracks this stuff is saying that the level has been steady compared to previous years. It may be leveling off after a spike, but it has yet to come back down.

https://thinkprogress.org/thinkprogr...d-e0288ed69869

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...mpaign-n733306

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/...-radical-right

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7537616.html

thats why I asked a question.

Yeah but you ask by using right wing propaganda talking points which makes me not that interested in answering. Both fake hate crimes and real ones can be up so pointing out the fake ones is no more then a nonsense tool to dismish real ones.

I've heard many people say it was the choice of the lesser of two evils, but as I recall there were seventeen candidates seeking the Republican nomination, so does that make Mr. Trump the least of 18 evils?

At what point in time were they (the "many people") making that statement? Your (incorrect) observation here is a feature (bug?) of the American primary system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjTAgKAZW78

Right wing propaganda? Are you saying that there were no fake claims, or that none turned out not to be hate crimes? You dont just get to label stuff "right wing propaganda" and throw it away. If thats the case I can just ignore anything you say as "left wing propaganda"

No there are fake hate crimes and it would not surprise me if the rate went up.

Whats that got to do with real hate crimes going up? And why did you bring fake ones up?

You made a claim that hate crimes went up, and linked that either to donald trump, or people who voted for donald trump.


Isnt it pretty obvious why I brought up the fake hate crimes?
If hate crimes rose 100%, and 80% of them are hoaxes, then the rate only rose 20%. Yes, that still leaves 20% , but as aaron, and the articles he linked, point out, it is difficult to draw direct correlations , for various reasons.

further, the fake ones often specifically reference donald trump, eg "I was harassed by a group of men wearing Make America Great Again teeshirts", these specifically try to link trump to the rise in hate crimes, the same as you do in your previous post.

Its obvious why people who say hate claims are not up bring up fake ones. Its to diminish the real ones and make the suggestion they are not up. All the while showing no evidence of their own.

Like i said believe what you will. Im not going to defend my statement they are up anymore.

I didnt say hate crimes arent up.