1st off I think this is the most ridiculous religion ever created. It's founder was murdered by his own congregation for stealing their wives ... on top of the ridiculous notion that Native Americans were once Jews who fled to North America ? Correct me if i'm wrong here.

It seems like an obvious attempt to make Christianity American.

So I was in my friend's Italian high class restaurant and Mormon missionaries here in Peru came to eat and set next to me. Some were converts but the one closest to me was American.

I told him my views in a polite manner , we started talking. There's not many tourists where I am so I like to speak English occasionally and don't mind listening to even people I consider insane and brainwashed but it was amicable.

He left to go outside or to the bathroom and a Peruvian convert started listening to music on his phone without headphones fairly loud in a classy , filled Italian restaurant.

I asked him politely to turn off his phone and gave him a dirty look until he did it which he took his time doing and thanked him.

When the American returned I told him his friend for a supposed person of faith , didn't have much respect for others and the American told me that the Peruvian said I screamed at him which I definitely didn't do in a packed restaurant owned by my friend.

So that's just one example of a supposed religious person having no concern for others , and then lying about it. At that point they were leaving and I was so angry I literally told them not only were they stupid but liars too.

I didn't cause much of a fuss but the hypocrisy of those who claim to be religious is incredible.

The closest thing to religion I have is a mix between Paganism , Agnosticism and Leveyan Satanism and it appears i have more manners and honesty than supposedly devout Mormons.

That's so ironic it's incredible.

one mormon guy was rude, therefore mormonism is bad

and it goes one step further...

wow, you were incredibly rude here. You are making paganism, agnosticism and leveyan satanism look bad*

More importantly, where in Peru were you?

*in the make believe world where you being a rude is a relevant point about religions.

So much gold in that post. I am certain we got an objective retelling of the events that transpired. An impressive sample size of 1 to boot. You have me convinced, sir. Mormons are all big fat phonies.

I am tempted to scour Mormon forums for the other side of this story.

No , he was a liar.

I didn't even speak to this person except ask him to turn off his music in a fine Italian restaurant.


To anyone who doesn't know much about Mormons , watch the South Park episode "All About Mormons", also known as "All About the Mormons?", is the twelfth episode of the seventh season of the American animated television series South Park, and the 108th overall episode of the series.

Everything in it is fact and I assume most of you are Mormons who are mocking me so it won't make a difference to you as you've already been brainwashed by your parents at a young age but to those who aren't ... you'll be completely in shock how any human being with a brain can believe in it.

you cant blame an entire group for the behavior of one in individual in it. That is how Nazi Germany got started.

If you could find a passage in the book of mormon that instructed "play your music loud when around none believes whilst not wearing headphones and then accuse them of screaming at you"

you would have some tangible merit of a point.

all religions are a joke and its an embarrassment to the human species that anyone believes any of it.

however unless the behavior is wide spread among the group or it is specifically mentioned in the religious texts you cannot justifiably criticize the religion for the behavior of a single individual.

While a student, for a while, I shared a house with a Mormon. I thought she was an very pleasant girl; I doubt she was involved in any of the nasty stuff you indicated.

In the many years that I've posted here, I don't think I can think of a single person who has declared to be Mormon. I think you're demonstrating that making unfounded assumptions about people and situations often leads to errors.

I think you've also demonstrated the maturity of a seven year old in your recollection of an interaction with people.

Elaborate please. Recollection and maturity ??? The 2 have nothing in common. You're not speaking English. There's no relation between memory and maturity.

I'm probably also old enough to be your dad as well. Immaturity is not something I've been accused of. I was just posting one example of how religion and morality are not the same thing.

I know what Mormonism is about. I'm no expert but I know enough to know it's a joke and that's not based on one experience.

I never did so , as i mentioned in prev. post this was just an example of how hypocrisy is rampant among religious people. My opinion on religion and Mormonism was formed a long time ago , probably 15 yrs ago and based on similar experiences.

I'm living in a country where 90% of the people here are Catholic and let me tell you they're just going through the motions. Actually following the precepts of the religion , maybe 10% actually do it.

I'm somewhat at a loss as to why people think I've formed an opinion based on one experience. The 1st thing I say in this thread is that I think this religion is a joke.

Whether your opinion is formed on the basis of a single experience or not is irrelevant, the question is what do you think the single experience tells us? The answer is it appears very little, yes it may be that this is consistent with your experience and so confirms whatever it is you think about religion but it's just not interesting.

What is there to elaborate on? You are assuming "most of [us]" are Mormons. I'm telling you that there aren't any professed Mormons that I'm aware on on this forum.

As far as maturity goes, you seem to think that your age is relevant to your maturity. Good luck with that.

I have an atheist buddy who always tells me how much he admires Mormons more than most other religious people, because they're out there hitting the pavement, making fools of themselves, and wearing their beliefs on their sleeves. They really do seem to live up to their beliefs, at least if we put their motives aside.

I've sat down with Mormons before and heard them out, they are a persistent folk. Also can't get passed calling a 20 year old kid, "Elder".

Your use of the word recollection was incorrect and confused me. I agree with what you say regarding maturity but back when I was 22 , 30 yr old women called me mature , and that was 17 yrs ago.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recollection

"I think you've also demonstrated the maturity of a seven year old in your [thing that is being remembered]."

I'm pretty sure my usage is consistent with the common understanding of the English language.

Right... because somehow that's supposed to be persuasive? Good luck with that.

I wasn't there of course, but it is my understanding the founder was murdered by non-Mormons.

What ya talk about? Could the other people hear?

If the tone and theme was anything like in this thread, Mormonism is a joke, south park doh... id consider the radio thing to avoid conversation too.

Even if you dress it up nice im not sure id call a religious debate in a fine dining environment with the table next door polite. If everyone is ok with it its fine i guess.

I see Mormons around my area occasionally and I think they have a house a couple of streets away from me. Always find them to be nice and polite in passing but I've never really discussed religion with them. I must look like a lost cause

Agreed. Yes, sometimes there is a touch of "Stepford Wives" / blank stares etc, but the memory I hold from visiting SLC a couple of times was that it was filled with the nicest people, and it felt very safe and clean.

I heard that the Mormons put ads in the South Park creator's "Book of Mormon" playbooks, something like "you've seen the play, now read the book"! I think you can acknowledge that they take it much better than the way some other religions respond to negative portrayals.

If Mormons are supposed to try to convert people, my cousin sucks at it. She converted over twenty years ago and we have never talked about her particular flavor of Christianity.

MagicUndies1830. Most epic username ever.

They back down pretty quickly when you push back. One of my good friends is a Mormon, and he was trying to convert me back when I was a Christian. He gave the old 'read the Book of Mormon and ask God if it's true' line, and I just said God told me it was horsesh*t. Worked like a charm.