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If someone is borderline worthy of a stake given their previous results, but makes ridiculous demands initially (i.e. a breakeven player at a stake asking for 70/30 his favor, or someone with a 1ptbb/100 winrate in cash asking for 50/50 over 20k hands), do you automatically stop dealing with them even if they seem more willing to negotiate? I feel like if someone makes a ridiculous demand it's more likely they'll be difficult to work with in the future, and so I tend to just not work with them. Thoughts?

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03-24-2011 , 05:51 PM

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jacove

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 360

Kind of weird question here:

I'm trying to write a business plan for my course in college. It's just something to get a good grade on and probably not going to be used in actuality. So my question is, is making a business plan for a Staking business (for staking poker players) a good idea? Do you think a proffessor wouldn't allow it? And lastly we have to present the business plan and I really don't want to have to explain how poker works to a bunch of stereo-typical "gambling is a sin" type people. Any thoughts on this?

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03-24-2011 , 07:30 PM

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DoGGz

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I tried to do a project involving the 2p2 marketplace for one of my coolest econ professors and he rejected it because of the involvement of gambling.

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03-24-2011 , 10:04 PM

#1254

Bren

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,509

Yeah just don't do it unless you've got a burning desire to have that conversation repeatedly.

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03-25-2011 , 12:00 AM

#1255

jacove

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 360

lol pretty interesting econ prof's would reject anythign to do with poker/marketplace. but thanks guys, based off that im just not going to do it.

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03-25-2011 , 02:11 AM

#1256

justdoit77

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2

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Originally Posted by Invertible

interested in getting backed by u??

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03-27-2011 , 01:13 AM

#1257

whatwonder

Poker Agent

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 869

I am about to get into staking, and I have a few questions:

1. How is money usually transfered? Just player transfers, on a poker site?

2. Is the password of a poker account ever shared, so that the staker can look at cashier history? Would logging in from a different location raise flags to Full Tilt and possibly get us banned or something?

3. Is coaching a standard part of a staking deal? If not, how does that alter the deal?

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03-27-2011 , 05:31 AM

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aidengrinder

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 71

Hi ,question to stakers

What is the difference between a SNG staking deal and a MTT staking Deal?

Could u tell me what r the typical Staking deals for each game(SNG and MTT)

Thx

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03-27-2011 , 06:34 AM

#1259

Nofx Fan

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,632

Guys you are int the right thread, just look through it. I know for sure a couple of the questions/topics above have been discussed before. You can use the search if you want to be even quicker, for example put in "password" in the search this thread function at the top right of the thread. Display as posts and you'll have posts on that discussion.

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03-27-2011 , 01:22 PM

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pageh656

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Originally Posted by whatwonder

1. yes via transfers
2. in some deals it is required, many stakers do. others dont. best not to log in during tourneys etc. mostly just a trust thing
3. it is part of some deals, should be discussed beforehand, usually makes %s more in stakers favor

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03-27-2011 , 09:56 PM

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CBorders

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Page, Zima , et al -

I'm backed for MTT's on Stars and FTP. I'm in a good bit of makeup and haven't withdrawn any profit since last year. I currently play 2-4 days a week, probably averaging 2.5 days actually and my Stars volume is very low due to the times I play and the lack games they offer at those times. How would you as a backer feel if I played $2/180s or whatever on my own dime on Stars a couple of days per week (never during the same day/time I'm playing under your action) and only played MTT's on FTP under the stake? Obviously I would transfer all of your Stars funds over to FTP.

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03-27-2011 , 09:57 PM

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Zima421

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i wouldnt like it at all

for the deals i have, i have all their action at all times. its apart of the contract they sign at the start of the stake. you playing dif games on your own dime just is awful for the backer too as it takes away from grinding games for him (so you can finally get out of MU). he wants you to get out of MU just as bad as you want to actually get out of MU.

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03-27-2011 , 10:19 PM

#1263

Bren

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,509

Yeah some guys don't mind if u dabble in cash on the side but $2/180's would fall under the type of game that should be played under the stake.

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03-27-2011 , 10:31 PM

#1264

10k? No way!

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15

That's what I thought as well but I figured I'd ask. Under my agreement I am allowed to have an account on sites I'm not playing on under the stake, but I want to do whatever is best for the staking agreement since it is my top priority.

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03-27-2011 , 10:33 PM

#1265

DoGGz

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nice gimmick.

You can use your 10k post talking about steaking, it's ok.

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03-27-2011 , 10:35 PM

#1266

10k? No way!

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15

Writing my 10k post at the moment!

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03-28-2011 , 01:04 PM

#1267

ComplexP

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,285

Question to stakers :

I'm trying to get into staking, made this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...ayers-1007074/ got no replies / pms so far. I know it's been just 2 days, looking at other threads I'm wondering if the thread I made is ok or is there something wrong with it, maybe too niche?

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03-28-2011 , 01:28 PM

#1268

RUBINH

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Originally Posted by ComplexP

Just give it time IMO. Also keep in mind that your offer isn't open to Americans, who make up a significant percentage of 2+2 members.

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03-29-2011 , 12:57 AM

#1269

Invertible

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,348

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Originally Posted by ComplexP

I've been staking on Entraction for a year and had 4 people want to play on there. Probably the network mixed with the fact you are only staking 20nl (not 20nl and lower) and the fact Entraction is not open to americans

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03-29-2011 , 06:55 AM

#1270

ComplexP

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,285

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Originally Posted by Invertible

Wow, thanks for that. I guess I'll figure out things and adjust. No idea why the network isn't liked, there's good traffic for the micros anyway. Have to rethink things...

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03-29-2011 , 07:55 AM

#1271

Pronto

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 484

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Originally Posted by Invertible

I've been staking on Entraction for a year and had 4 people want to play on there.

sick oO

could this also to do something with the fact that you didn't promote entraction as much as merge?

just wondering,because you stake all games/all limits and therefore are 4players a little bit less...even it's entraction,and only for non us players

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03-29-2011 , 09:29 AM

#1272

Invertible

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Originally Posted by Pronto

I have given up promoting it really, every player I ask prefers Merge (also every player that chose Entraction later moved to Merge and stayed there). The site is mostly full of rakeback grinders and short stackers by reputation, although I have not played there in ages, and that puts alot of people off. Also the skin I am with greatly rewards mass volume players but there is nothing for your average grinder, that probably doesn't help.

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03-29-2011 , 02:57 PM

#1273

Namath12

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My apologies if this was asked and answered, I am new to all this: What is the allure of staking or, more specifically, of being staked? I can sort of see the attraction from a venture capitalist's point of view, as you could theoretically make a lot of money off the work of others, but if you are really a good player why split all that $ with a backer? Wouldn't you be better off simply working for yourself?

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03-29-2011 , 03:15 PM

#1274

DoGGz

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Originally Posted by Ashington

The ability to play things you otherwise were not rolled for. For the very best tournament players, this even entails traveling the live tournament circuit where million dollar bankrolls are required. For cash games, it's normally because the player is bad with money or cannot play well under the risk of using their own cash.

There are other smaller reasons but that is the most significant and most easily justified.

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03-29-2011 , 04:08 PM

#1275

Namath12

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Originally Posted by DoGGz

This makes sense, for the most part...but only if time was a factor (ie, I have significant bills coming due, need that operation or my balls will asplode so gotta play big asap) and with the right contract one might be able to see a bigger ROI. However, why not just build your bankroll at the lower stakes and then move up on your own absent this scenario? If one is a good reg at the 52 90s then (theoretically) he will be much better at the 26 90s, right? Am I missing something?

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