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Old 11-22-2008, 05:21 PM   #1
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Hi,

I have a few questions regarding the new software upgrade:

Heads up games are now capped. Is there a reason for this? Seems they are capped at 2 games per limit...

Also, mid/high stakes No limit games are only in Euros now. (3/6nl and up) There are no more games in $ at these limits. Is this just more evidence that all US players will soon be banned from the site?
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Old 11-22-2008, 05:33 PM   #2
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judging by activity in the hsnl transfer thread, and by the volume of the hsnl games recently, it seems like the net result is that hsnl US players are leaving, regardless if that's Eurolinx's intention. Unless of course these things get fixed...

Really, these are such bad decisions and many people here are complaining about them. Instead of worrying about wheter babes in banner ads are going to increase revenue, it would be best to fix the real issues here.
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Old 11-22-2008, 05:55 PM   #3
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Yeah this makes no sense. I've recently cut tons of my volume on Eurolinx because of the table capping. This needs to be fixed asap if eurolinx wants to keep any of my business or most of my rake ha.

Pretty lame when u cant sit at a single table, and everyone u sit with sits out.. they take 15 minutes to be forced up from the table and i would look like a huge douche so obv not doing that. get ur **** together linx
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Old 11-22-2008, 09:14 PM   #4
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euro games just means same competition but more money made!
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Old 11-22-2008, 09:39 PM   #5
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Yeah this makes no sense. I've recently cut tons of my volume on Eurolinx because of the table capping. This needs to be fixed asap if eurolinx wants to keep any of my business or most of my rake ha.

Pretty lame when u cant sit at a single table, and everyone u sit with sits out.. they take 15 minutes to be forced up from the table and i would look like a huge douche so obv not doing that. get ur **** together linx
u just have to wait a min or so while a new table is created or however they do it

and the kick time is actually really fast at eurolinx

srsly there is no problem here. ITS NOT CALLED DOLLARLINX MAJJJN
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:02 PM   #6
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euro games just means same competition but more money made!
i dont know what games you play, but there are no games at 25/50+ right now. For some people 25/50 euros is too much, which is why having the other games was a nice middle ground. Yet these games dont run at all now after the change. And for a lot of the people in this thread, this is a highly relevant issue...
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:09 PM   #7
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i dont know what games you play, but there are no games at 25/50+ right now. For some people 25/50 euros is too much, which is why having the other games was a nice middle ground. Yet these games dont run at all now after the change. And for a lot of the people in this thread, this is a highly relevant issue...
He was talking about how MGS makes more money now since the games are all raked more.

Of course, I'm sure if the euro drops below the dollar again, the dollar games will magically reappear. Gaming the exchange rate obviously makes sense to MGS, but I think its very obvious and disgusting ploy to take as much money as possible of its players.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:11 PM   #8
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He was talking about how MGS makes more money now since the games are all raked more.

Of course, I'm sure if the euro drops below the dollar again, the dollar games will magically reappear. Gaming the exchange rate obviously makes sense to MGS, but I think its very obvious and disgusting ploy to take as much money as possible of its players.
ic. sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:11 PM   #9
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Yeah this makes no sense. I've recently cut tons of my volume on Eurolinx because of the table capping. This needs to be fixed asap if eurolinx wants to keep any of my business or most of my rake ha.

Pretty lame when u cant sit at a single table, and everyone u sit with sits out.. they take 15 minutes to be forced up from the table and i would look like a huge douche so obv not doing that. get ur **** together linx

+1. The heads up situation has been poorly implemented for a long time. When I want to play but no one sitting will play me, it says the player will be removed in 86,400 seconds. That's equal to 24 hours. Need I say more? And with the number of tables capped, its just ridiculous.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:29 PM   #10
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Lydia - I've always enjoyed playing on Eurolinx and I know you guys are running a great site that actually cares about its players. So I hope you're fighting MGS on this update. Here are my thoughts and why this will negatively affect my play at Eurolinx.

First, I've always been very happy with Eurolinx and every employee there. I do realize this is a Microgaming upgrade not a Eurolinx Upgrade. But here's why this will force me to cut my volume by a lot. I play between 60k and 80k hands a month, and 80% of my play has been on Eurolinx for the past 11 months. After this, I can't see it being higher than 30% of my play if that, we'll have to see.

1. Killing the $ games above 2/4nl is absurd. When 3/6+ makes up 100% of your play, a 25% (variable with the exchange rate) rake increase is a very big deal, equal to a few thousand dollars a month. For heads up, since Prima already rakes 1 currency unit instead of .5 like Full Tilt does, this problem is amplified significantly.
-A side note here. Why are the mid and high stakes limit holdem and PLO games still available in dollars? My guess is that there is far less action there and less revenue, so MGS just didn't bother to remove. I'm glad they didn't because it solidifies the obviousness of their intentions.

2. Ditching the 4/8, 15/30, and 20/40 no limit games is terrible. Those stakes always saw plenty of action, offered unique stakes not found elsewhere, and seemingly did not impact the other "normal" high stakes limits. This makes it much harder to game select, and therefore, less profitable.

3. Even though its only been a few days, I've kept an eye on the lobby and there seems to be less action across the mid and high stakes games. If that continues then clearly I'll have to move a lot of action.

4. The heads up situation still hasn't been fixed. Its very hard to get the lobby to make another heads up table once the tables at the desired limit are full, and there seems to be a cap of 8 or so heads up tables at a limit. This is unacceptable considering that the lobby will not remove a player that won't play me. It says if the player does not sit in within "86,400 seconds" (that's 24 hours) then he'll be removed. Thats ridiculous. I once sat with a player who was sitting out for 4 hours once just to see if he'd be removed, he wasn't. When someone is sitting at 4 heads up tables and has either left the house or won't play an opponent who sits down, either new tables need to be created, and/or the player sitting out has to be removed. Often, neither of these things happen, and the heads up action is effectively killed as a result.

Thanks for taking the time Lydia. This has been my favorite site on my favorite network, and I'm beyond irritated at being forced into this situation.

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Old 11-22-2008, 11:36 PM   #11
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all the talk about there being less action is totally untrue
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:06 PM   #12
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1. Killing the $ games above 2/4nl is absurd. When 3/6+ makes up 100% of your play, a 25% (variable with the exchange rate) rake increase is a very big deal, equal to a few thousand dollars a month.
IT'S A 25% INCREASE TO YOU WIN RATE (COMPARED TO IF YOU PREVIOUSLY ONLY PLAYED $ TABLES,) USE YOUR BRAIN FFS
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:07 PM   #13
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Also, before the upgrade euro tables were much more popular than euro tables at higher stakes it seemed, so there's not a great deal of difference in reality
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:36 PM   #14
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IT'S A 25% INCREASE TO YOU WIN RATE (COMPARED TO IF YOU PREVIOUSLY ONLY PLAYED $ TABLES,) USE YOUR BRAIN FFS
In the past, if I wanted to play 10/20 euro, I'd just play 15/30. Or I'd play 10/20 dollars instead of 5/10 euro. Or 5/10 dollar instead of 3/6 euro. I'd avoid the euro games whenever possible. Why would I play a euro game when I can play the approximate equivalent in dollars and pay 25% less rake?

How can you say that its a 25% win rate increase? There is an increase in income yes, but only because you're playing higher stakes. Go play higher stakes in dollars instead, and not pay an extra 25% in rake in the process.

You play a lot on prima, you should be pissed at them, not at me.
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Old 11-23-2008, 06:36 PM   #15
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In the past, if I wanted to play 10/20 euro, I'd just play 15/30. Or I'd play 10/20 dollars instead of 5/10 euro. Or 5/10 dollar instead of 3/6 euro. I'd avoid the euro games whenever possible. Why would I play a euro game when I can play the approximate equivalent in dollars and pay 25% less rake?

How can you say that its a 25% win rate increase? There is an increase in income yes, but only because you're playing higher stakes. Go play higher stakes in dollars instead, and not pay an extra 25% in rake in the process.

You play a lot on prima, you should be pissed at them, not at me.
Isn't the rake proportional to the pot sizes you win? So if the pot sizes are more (euros) the rake will be proportionally more too.

I think of it as Euros 5/10NL being USD 6/12NL, and EUROS 3/6NL being USD 4/8NL. And the rake being proportional.

Will a USA player using Euros to play lose more money because rake is in euros? Or is the ratio the same? I'm kind of confused. Someone explain this..
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