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Most of these coaches online sites are kind of weak Most of these coaches online sites are kind of weak

12-17-2009 , 07:31 AM
Why are the limits so low on 90% of the videos?

I think almost all the coaches except a few do not play that great overall.. and also do not explain poker very good at all ..

any notable online coaches want to challenge me .. please pm me.

thanks
12-17-2009 , 08:17 AM
people want to learn poker right? so you will send them on HS from the begining? I guess not...
12-17-2009 , 11:22 AM
CR offers at least one high stakes video per week, "High Stakes Fridays." Last week we also had $2,000 PLO and in the past couple of weeks two $600 NLHE videos.
12-17-2009 , 11:20 PM
totally agree w OP, good players can also make microstakes videos, but they should be able to crush the games. Calling himself a pokercoach and not being able to make a profit at higher limits - and sometimes even loosing at the limits you play is just ridiculous
coming from pokerxfactor I think stoxpoker is buid kind of confusing. Ton of coaches, but very little good material.

as told in the sticky post about why join stoxpoker:
Regular videos from StoxPoker instructors including Bryce "Freedom25" Paradis, Dusty "leatherass" Schmidt, Matt "Jacksup" Matros, Collin "SnGMan101" Moshman, Ed "notedpokerauthority" Miller and Nick "stoxtrader" Gudzien.
Regular videos from mental game coach Jared Tendler.

I thing this is almost like all the good material.

Tried to look up the coaches at OPR/PokerTableRatings and this is what i came up with so far:

sound like one could learn something here:
Aaron Lambert, dfsuperstar on stars, steady lowstakes mtt winner, 37k profit in last year w roi 35, playing a lot 12$ 180man-sngs
Alan Jackson, dixon01 on stars, about 25k profit sinvce april 09, mostly from 1/2 6max NL, 0,84bb/100 overall, emphasis on very TAG/nitty play
Brendon Williams, sippin_criss on stars, solid low stakes SNG player, roi 12 for 92k profit overall with a nanonoko like profit graph
Brian Aleks, ballzdeepx on fulltilt, solid winner at limit holdem, about 200k profit in last 12 months w 0,85bb/100
Bryce Paradis, freedom25 on fulltilt, shorthanded and hu limit holdem player, about 110k profit in last 12 months,making 73k in one day on Aug 5th
Chris Fargis, having 3 triple draw videos on stoxpoker, savemyskin on stars, no stats found, since triple draw is prob a very rare game
Collin Moshman, sngman101, author of some 2+2 books
Dan Abrams, SGspescial on full tilt, the coach for razz and horse games, w roi >100 in mixed game tourneys on full tilt, seems like this guy could know, what he is teaching
Dan Deppen, O8 basics, 3 videos, campfirewest, again a very exotic game w too little data, so no comment
Douglas Zare, candiru on stars?, others seem to like his videos a lot and he is a SNG player who prob knows his staff, roi of 30 playing microSNGs for 8k as overall profit
Dusty Schmidt, leatherass9 on full tilt, one of the most impressive guys on stoxpoker, middle stakes nl player, 400k profit in last 15months on full tilt w 3bb/100, looking forward to see him in action
Ed Miller, 2+2 book author, about 50 videos most of them held in classroom style w/o seeing ed actually play
Greg Bast, ship it_ducy on full tilt, represented w 2 videos on capped plo, had some big swings this year but is 50k up w capped plo being a big part of his income, so prob worth watching
Hunter Bick, beachjustice on fulltilt, solid steady winner in middle stakes nl, 3.3bb/100 176k profit in last 18 months
James Davis, BigOwen on stars, steady winner w 1,53bb/100, 32k profit in the last year playing mostly 1/2 and 2/4nl
Jared Tendler: psychology video series
Jason Ho: lots of small stakes theory videos
Kyle Hendon, cottonseed1 on full tilt, solid nl and fl shorthanded player, 32k profit on fulltilt in the last year, some nice videos there




sound like a total waste of time:
Alex B., poolside1 on fulltilt, breaking even microstakes player - not worth the time
Alix Martin, alix on stars, roi -15 at mtts here - so prob not worth it
banana, only 1 video available (PLO), -4,8bb is his stats at this game (i really don't get why hires such guys, it only ruins the reputation of the site)
Ben Kniaz, bkniaz on fulltilt, after 2400hands down $40 (Omaha microstakes specialist, lol)
Bob Rotruck, mrblinky?, couldn't really find his stats, so no comment
Cole Robinson, Alcarajo at fulltilt, so far -20bb/100, not very impressive
dmunnee, videos already rated poor on the site, making profit w 1bb/100, about 7k profit in the last year, so, winning player overall but doesnt impress me
Eric Rodawig, HORSE coach, Hoyasdaxa on stars and fulltilt, as far as my research goes he is a looser in tourneys as well as in cash games, the difficulty is once again in the very little spread games
felipe, tucanjo on stars, didnt play lately, no profit in the last year, another video is recorded under peggleboy and here he is down 1k after 1000hands
Graham Ribchester, ribs on stars, down 3k this year as far as pokertableratings goes
Ijay Polanski, doughnutz on stars, coach for flhe, loosing w 1bb/100 over last 14k hands, playing very low
Jeremy Steinhausesn, supreme20, winning w 1,23bb/100 at 0.5/1NL, for 10k profit in last 12 months, not very impressive at all, but you could prob learn a very slightly profitable autopilot way to multitable ton of full ring tables
Keeth, lacey duvalle on full tilt, after some big swings this year now down $144 acc to pokertableratings

Last edited by Jim Varnon; 01-28-2010 at 03:30 PM.
12-18-2009 , 02:33 AM
I just want to clarify my results. The last poster did not say anything inaccurate according to poker table ratings, however my books differ greatly. Playing part time I have made approximately 1 million dollars over the last 15 months and made another 2 million dollars in the 20 months prior to that.

Table ratings, particularly on Full Tilt, have been incredibly off from what I have actually won. It also is basically only showing hands from the past 15 months or so when I have been mostly playing 1-2 days a week at most.
12-18-2009 , 04:20 AM
this is a serious question, but why does stox hire losing players?
12-18-2009 , 11:40 AM
For a low limit player, such as myself, looking to improve my game, these sites are excellent. I've benefitted from them and a lot of times, I just enjoy watching the live play.

Quite honestly, if you're already playing high limits or nosebleeds, do you think you need a lot of coaching?
12-18-2009 , 02:26 PM
We are constantly monitoring the performance of our coaches. Not so much in the are they making money at the tables sense, though that certainly matters, especially in recruiting.

What we look at the most is are our customers recieving value from their videos. Do they teach effectively and intelligently? We have a user rating system that helps us with this, we also have a forum thread on each video. We also have private data about how many views each video gets. We use all this data to prioritize how many video slots each coach gets.

We also have a stringent quality assurance program that all new coaches go through before they can release a video on cardrunners or stoxpoker.

Some of the coaches mentioned above have been recieving less or zero video slots, and that will be an ongoing process where we promote our strong and continue with that cycle.

The last point I have is that nobody but the coach knows their true results. There are plenty of superb players that have poor table rating results. Of course the opposite is true as well.
12-18-2009 , 06:54 PM
You also run into the problem of great players that cant teach.
No slag on any certain site but most videos I watch have some body not putting enough effort in.
You can be a awesome player but totally inept at teaching or forming a sentence.

I hate hearing guys slurping a slurpie or sipping a tea during a video...I always
fixate on the background noise like a tap dripping in the middle of the night.
So I have a hard time getting past that.
12-18-2009 , 06:57 PM
OP you can't call out a bunch of coaches without posting your screen name. That's just plain rude bro!
12-18-2009 , 08:05 PM
There is also merit to the saying those that can do those that can not teach. Clearly not always the case but I know a guy who thinks about poker on a level that should crush his games. Seriously the guy should be a 10% ROI winner easily but just can't seem to get a handle on tilt.

But he could really help struggling players plug leaks as he is very calm and knowlegable away from the table, but in the heat of battle, well his screen name is Evilmonkeytilt, so I guess he too realises this?? lol

Broker
12-18-2009 , 08:46 PM
i`d like to see how much coach is able to win like ex. Sippin_Criss or Leatherass are doing,its just comes to me easy to buy the ideas and concepts from coach who can proof winnings

ps. it should be at least one 45man SNG top player coach in stoxpoker!
there is only few videos about that
12-19-2009 , 01:16 AM
Table ratings are way off my friend. Some names in the 1st list make 1m a year on average, and make excess 3m profit lifetime. If you do your research well, you will find the info to convince yourself they are not just mediocre, or marginal winners. leather, kyle, bryce, stox, jason ho are all phenomenal poker players, it's just that they keep a low profile by not showing their graphs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tankado
totally agree w OP, good players can also make microstakes videos, but they should be able to crush the games. Calling himself a pokercoach and not being able to make a profit at higher limits - and sometimes even loosing at the limits you play is just ridiculous
coming from pokerxfactor I think stoxpoker is buid kind of confusing. Ton of coaches, but very little good material.

as told in the sticky post about why join stoxpoker:
Regular videos from StoxPoker instructors including Bryce "Freedom25" Paradis, Dusty "leatherass" Schmidt, Matt "Jacksup" Matros, Collin "SnGMan101" Moshman, Ed "notedpokerauthority" Miller and Nick "stoxtrader" Gudzien.
Regular videos from mental game coach Jared Tendler.

I thing this is almost like all the good material.

Tried to look up the coaches at OPR/PokerTableRatings and this is what i came up with so far:

sound like one could learn something here:
Aaron Lambert, dfsuperstar on stars, steady lowstakes mtt winner, 37k profit in last year w roi 35, playing a lot 12$ 180man-sngs
Alan Jackson, dixon01 on stars, about 25k profit sinvce april 09, mostly from 1/2 6max NL, 0,84bb/100 overall, emphasis on very TAG/nitty play
Brendon Williams, sippin_criss on stars, solid low stakes SNG player, roi 12 for 92k profit overall with a nanonoko like profit graph
Brian Aleks, ballzdeepx on fulltilt, solid winner at limit holdem, about 200k profit in last 12 months w 0,85bb/100
Bryce Paradis, freedom25 on fulltilt, shorthanded and hu limit holdem player, about 110k profit in last 12 months,making 73k in one day on Aug 5th
Chris Fargis, having 3 triple draw videos on stoxpoker, savemyskin on stars, no stats found, since triple draw is prob a very rare game
Collin Moshman, sngman101, author of some 2+2 books
Dan Abrams, SGspescial on full tilt, the coach for razz and horse games, w roi >100 in mixed game tourneys on full tilt, seems like this guy could know, what he is teaching
Dan Deppen, O8 basics, 3 videos, campfirewest, again a very exotic game w too little data, so no comment
Douglas Zare, candiru on stars?, others seem to like his videos a lot and he is a SNG player who prob knows his staff, roi of 30 playing microSNGs for 8k as overall profit
Dusty Schmidt, leatherass9 on full tilt, one of the most impressive guys on stoxpoker, middle stakes nl player, 400k profit in last 15months on full tilt w 3bb/100, looking forward to see him in action
Ed Miller, 2+2 book author, about 50 videos most of them held in classroom style w/o seeing ed actually play
Greg Bast, ship it_ducy on full tilt, represented w 2 videos on capped plo, had some big swings this year but is 50k up w capped plo being a big part of his income, so prob worth watching
Hunter Bick, beachjustice on fulltilt, solid steady winner in middle stakes nl, 3.3bb/100 176k profit in last 18 months
James Davis, BigOwen on stars, steady winner w 1,53bb/100, 32k profit in the last year playing mostly 1/2 and 2/4nl
Jared Tendler: psychology video series
Jason Ho: lots of small stakes theory videos
Kyle Hendon, cottonseed1 on full tilt, solid nl and fl shorthanded player, 32k profit on fulltilt in the last year, some nice videos there




sound like a total waste of time:
Alex Bierce, poolside1 on fulltilt, breaking even microstakes player - not worth the time
Alix Martin, alix on stars, roi -15 at mtts here - so prob not worth it
banana, only 1 video available (PLO), -4,8bb is his stats at this game (i really don't get why hires such guys, it only ruins the reputation of the site)
Ben Kniaz, bkniaz on fulltilt, after 2400hands down $40 (Omaha microstakes specialist, lol)
Bob Rotruck, mrblinky?, couldn't really find his stats, so no comment
Cole Robinson, Alcarajo at fulltilt, so far -20bb/100, not very impressive
dmunnee, videos already rated poor on the site, making profit w 1bb/100, about 7k profit in the last year, so, winning player overall but doesnt impress me
Eric Rodawig, HORSE coach, Hoyasdaxa on stars and fulltilt, as far as my research goes he is a looser in tourneys as well as in cash games, the difficulty is once again in the very little spread games
felipe, tucanjo on stars, didnt play lately, no profit in the last year, another video is recorded under peggleboy and here he is down 1k after 1000hands
Graham Ribchester, ribs on stars, down 3k this year as far as pokertableratings goes
Ijay Polanski, doughnutz on stars, coach for flhe, loosing w 1bb/100 over last 14k hands, playing very low
Jeremy Steinhausesn, supreme20, winning w 1,23bb/100 at 0.5/1NL, for 10k profit in last 12 months, not very impressive at all, but you could prob learn a very slightly profitable autopilot way to multitable ton of full ring tables
Keeth, lacey duvalle on full tilt, after some big swings this year now down $144 acc to pokertableratings
12-20-2009 , 01:18 PM
All the training sites should post a detailed bio or all coaches!

I hate it when they add a new coach and give you no info about them!

If I am going to pay $ every month it only seems resonable these sites tell me more about the intructors I am considering listening to.
12-21-2009 , 03:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky1231
OP you can't call out a bunch of coaches without posting your screen name. That's just plain cowardly bro!
Hope you don't mind Ricky?
12-21-2009 , 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stoxtrader
We are constantly monitoring the performance of our coaches. Not so much in the are they making money at the tables sense, though that certainly matters, especially in recruiting.

What we look at the most is are our customers recieving value from their videos. Do they teach effectively and intelligently? We have a user rating system that helps us with this, we also have a forum thread on each video. We also have private data about how many views each video gets. We use all this data to prioritize how many video slots each coach gets.

We also have a stringent quality assurance program that all new coaches go through before they can release a video on cardrunners or stoxpoker.

Some of the coaches mentioned above have been recieving less or zero video slots, and that will be an ongoing process where we promote our strong and continue with that cycle.

The last point I have is that nobody but the coach knows their true results. There are plenty of superb players that have poor table rating results. Of course the opposite is true as well.
This is all that really matters, well put.

I hear this all the time about various different training sites. I ask people to compare poker coaching/training to most other competitive fields. What can Rex Ryan do on the football field? Can you picture Larry Brown doing much? Coach K? Sure, some of these guys did well when they were younger, but there's plenty more that didn't do anything in the game they teach so well.

In the end, if you just want to base things on results, go buy a Phil Helmuth book. A few other guys will subscribe to various training sites like CR/stox. You can guess how the two groups will fare comparatively.

I don't mean to come across as rude, but you did call out their coaches based on a system of measurement that was not correct in terms of reliability (most people know the tracking site you mentioned isn't very accurate at all) nor even a good gauge of the quality of a teacher.
12-01-2010 , 08:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by calvinyeo
Table ratings are way off my friend. Some names in the 1st list make 1m a year on average, and make excess 3m profit lifetime. If you do your research well, you will find the info to convince yourself they are not just mediocre, or marginal winners. leather, kyle, bryce, stox, jason ho are all phenomenal poker players, it's just that they keep a low profile by not showing their graphs.
Lol, it's funny how time changes things, even in the span of just one year.
12-01-2010 , 11:56 AM
ya, i hate cardrunners!!!!!!!

      
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