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Old 08-01-2008, 02:49 AM   #301
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Re: Leatherass is "In the Well"

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I just ordered pokertracker and will begin logging hands at 200NL and 400NL starting tomorrow. Thanks for the advice LA


Awesome thread, LA, and this piece of advice to this guy may have been worth it's weight in gold later for him.


You may owe LA and your parents royalties later dawg.
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:19 AM   #302
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How big is your poker library LA? Do you read the new NL books as they come out?
I have a few books that I have read. Small Stakes holdem by Ed Miller is by far the most influential that I have read although that is for limit holdem. I think the general concepts in the book are so valuable to intermdeiate type players. Truthfully though, I don't read the books that come out anymore as I feel like my game has reached a point where stuff written in books geared for the general public really isn't going to provide any value whatsoever for me.

If you are looking to improve, and the way that I realzied my greatest improvements, is to join Stoxpoker.com. Not many know this, but I started out at Stoxpoker when there were only a ahndful of videos and I was a member just like everyone else. As my game got better and better, Nick (Stoxtrader) had the foresight to realize that as hard as I was working on my game and as lofty as my goals were, that I may become a top player someday and actually offered me a position as lead coach even though I was only playing 1/2NL at the time.

So long story short, instructional sites are the way to go and there really is no one that could ever argue that they are not going to pretty much imediately profit from them. For $25 a month, which I used to pay myself just a couple of years ago, all you need to do is learn 1 thing and it will pay for itself many times over. So although I am giving my biased opinion, if you want to know the fastest way to improve, join an instructional site.
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:20 AM   #303
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Awesome thread, LA, and this piece of advice to this guy may have been worth it's weight in gold later for him.


You may owe LA and your parents royalties later dawg.
Ty. I agree that this will be very helpful long term for him/
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Old 08-01-2008, 04:51 AM   #304
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Re: Leatherass is "In the Well"

Hey leatherass, I joined StoxPoker recently and have been watching your videos and trying to adapt your style. I'm curious to know your non-showdown win rate? Mine is negative, does that matter?
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:23 AM   #305
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You play pretty tight compared to other regs at your stakes. Is this a function of 10 tabling to maximize hourly instead of winrate or the presence of better LAGs at these stakes? Or to put it another way do you "control" your VPIP at all by not playing some marginal hands that are pretty close or does playing your standard game and adjusting to table conditions happen to converge to 15 or 16 VPIP as there is much more raising and reraising preflop by players who aren't as exploitable as looser players at lower stakes?

And if you played 1/2 would you add more tables and play only slightly looser or keep it the same or maybe drop a few so you can LAG it up as you say is ideal.

Would you play full ring at all at these stakes as it seems the games are a little softer compared to 6 max or are there enough fish and easily beatable games that it's easier just to stick to 6 max?
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:06 PM   #306
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How do you watch/watched videos? What kind of notes do you take?

How do you or did you get the most out of watching videos?

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Old 08-02-2008, 09:27 PM   #307
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I'm not sure about your question exactly but I like John Mayer and Dave Matthews from this era the most and the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Doors, Lynyrd Skynyrd and CCR the best from the classic rock area. I like listening to the Eagles a lot too especially when playing poker. Hell Freezes over concert is the nizzles.
Do you like The Band? very good if you like skynyrd ccr southern rock ect. The last waltz concert dvd is sick
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:56 PM   #308
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I don't use PT for this. I'm talking about stuff like what to do OOP after cold calling a preflop raise with 33 when the flop is 952r and you know if you check your opponent will c bet. Stuff like that

so how would you play this flop given two situations

1) pf raiser is one of the aggro fish you sat down to exploit

2) pf raiser has played few pots, many won without going to showdown
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Old 08-03-2008, 12:47 AM   #309
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Hey leatherass, I joined StoxPoker recently and have been watching your videos and trying to adapt your style. I'm curious to know your non-showdown win rate? Mine is negative, does that matter?
I wish I could tell ya but I use PT2 and don't have this stat. If I find out at some point I will post here.
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:47 AM   #310
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Poker EV works with PT2 and it can tell you.
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:58 AM   #311
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1st scenario:
lets say you have a fish on the CO, he limps, you are in the BTN and the blinds don't 3bet you light at all. What's your range to isolate the fish?

and if he calls preflop, call flop, do you usually double barrel bluff a fish (like when an Ace turns), or just stick with cbet bluffs? What if the flush hits on the river, he checks, and you don't have showdown value?

2nd scenario:
fish limps with 50bbs, reg iso-raises in LP, you in the BB with 78s, 3bet? Or it's not worth the risk of having the fish calling you?

what if the fish had 70bbs? Would be worth to make the play? i mean, do you think the fish would fold enough to the 3bet or to a cbet if he calls? If yes, would you expand the possible range you would do this with, assuming the reg will just wake up with a real hand.
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Poker EV works with PT2 and it can tell you.
I can never get poker EV to work. It always crashes on me.
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1st scenario:
lets say you have a fish on the CO, he limps, you are in the BTN and the blinds don't 3bet you light at all. What's your range to isolate the fish?

and if he calls preflop, call flop, do you usually double barrel bluff a fish (like when an Ace turns), or just stick with cbet bluffs? What if the flush hits on the river, he checks, and you don't have showdown value?

2nd scenario:
fish limps with 50bbs, reg iso-raises in LP, you in the BB with 78s, 3bet? Or it's not worth the risk of having the fish calling you?

what if the fish had 70bbs? Would be worth to make the play? i mean, do you think the fish would fold enough to the 3bet or to a cbet if he calls? If yes, would you expand the possible range you would do this with, assuming the reg will just wake up with a real hand.
1st scenario I will raise any 2. I will only make one c bet and that is it. Barreling lp fish is a recipe for disaster.

2nd scenario would be more game flow dependent. I like to toss in a 3 bet here at times but not if I feel like I have been abusing it. I think that your range can be pretty wide here for 3 betting and can even be as wide as like any 2 suited. The fish is usually not a factor here as fish don't really limp and then call a raise and reraise unless they were trapping.
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so how would you play this flop given two situations

1) pf raiser is one of the aggro fish you sat down to exploit

2) pf raiser has played few pots, many won without going to showdown
I think often times if your opponent is going to fire multiple barrels when checked to you can just check fold or check raise and I would do both, but more frequently check fold.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:04 PM   #315
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leather ive been playing professionally for 4 years
all nl mostly full ring
i gotta say your advice is spot on- i wish i learned 6 max first
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