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Old 03-24-2008, 03:25 PM   #151
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hey leather

what was the moment for you where you thought "man i could make a living doing this"? @ what stakes and after how many hands and with how big a BR? or more confident were you when you started that you wouldn't have to abandon it?

also how do you know if you are a sure winner at a certain stake? ie separating running hot from a undeniable edge

thanks for sharing, and i think the spilling the bean video was the video i learn the most from. it inspired me think about my game and to get creative with it
http://www.stoxpoker.com/node/1430 That is a link to the lengthy blog I wrote out about 6 months ago that tells "my story" in detail for anyone interested.

If you play 100k hands and are a sizeable winner then it is pretty safe to say you are a winner in that game.

I'm glad you found that video to be very helpful. Good luck to you.
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Definitely Ed Miller's Small Stakes Holdem. I went from working a job to playing poker for a living within a few weeks after completing that book.
dang... one of the important chapters must of fell out of my copy...

what section did you find the most helpful in SSHE? i managed to work my way up to 5/10FRLHE before crashing hard which is how i ended up in micro 6maxNL

xclent material in both SSHE and your vids.
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what kind of bankroll do you recommend if i want to 4 table 6max 100NL??
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what kind of bankroll do you recommend if i want to 4 table 6max 100NL??
3-5k depending on your risk tolerance.

EDIT: Sorry, Im not leatherass :P
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yeah... me too... well at least the mad poker skillz part!
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yeah... me too... well at least the mad poker skillz part!

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Old 03-25-2008, 04:51 AM   #157
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3-5k depending on your risk tolerance.

EDIT: Sorry, Im not leatherass :P
I like this reccomendation and would like to add that this should be poker BR and not life BR. The bottom line is that you shouldn't move up imo unless you are a proven winner at the limit you are at. Some people just use BR as a guideline and I think it should be your skill set that ultimately determines whether or not you are ready. I have the BR for the nosebleeds, but it would be pretty silly of me to just play nosebleeds just because I have the money. I am not sure I can beat the nosebleed guys therefore I prefer to play people I know I can beat.
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:48 AM   #158
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Here are some numbers on this. Assume 6-max $100 game with an ev of 2ptbbs/100 and an sd of 31 ptbbs/100. Now if you're going to 4 table assume 400 rounds/hr. To find your ev/sd multiply your ev times 4 and your sd by the square root of 4. In dollars this comes to $16/$124 per hour. Here's a table for bank needed. These numbers will change if your ev is larger or smaller than what I've listed but this should give you an idea.
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Here are some numbers on this. Assume 6-max $100 game with an ev of 2ptbbs/100 and an sd of 31 ptbbs/100. Now if you're going to 4 table assume 400 rounds/hr. To find your ev/sd multiply your ev times 4 and your sd by the square root of 4. In dollars this comes to $16/$124 per hour. Here's a table for bank needed. These numbers will change if your ev is larger or smaller than what I've listed but this should give you an idea.
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I think a more realistic std. deviation would be closer to 40. I don't know anyone with a std dv. of 31 unless it is a super nit. Most LAGs are in the 50s.
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Yes I should have quantified my answer. This is definitely for a TAG style of play.

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I have another question

1)Best advice on life you have ever recieved/given/heard?

2)Whats the 3 worst things about being a poker pro?
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Yes I should have quantified my answer. This is definitely for a TAG style of play.

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IN my experience even TAG's are around 40.
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Here are some numbers on this. Assume 6-max $100 game with an ev of 2ptbbs/100 and an sd of 31 ptbbs/100. Now if you're going to 4 table assume 400 rounds/hr. To find your ev/sd multiply your ev times 4 and your sd by the square root of 4. In dollars this comes to $16/$124 per hour. Here's a table for bank needed. These numbers will change if your ev is larger or smaller than what I've listed but this should give you an idea.
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im having trouble interpreting what you're saying... does this mean if i have a bankroll of 4k i have only a .01% of going bust? assuming im a winning playeR?
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:09 PM   #164
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From AZ: (im having trouble interpreting what you're saying... does this mean if i have a bankroll of 4k i have only a .01% of going bust? assuming im a winning playeR?)

Yes except the dollar number is almost $4500.

From LA: (IN my experience even TAG's are around 40.)

The numbers came from a friend of mine. I might have heard him wrong but I don't think so. He's a 16/14/6 CR classic style player who has close to 30K hands under his belt. As you know sd converges much quicker than actual ev and 30K hands is quite sufficient. Next time I speak to him I'll ask him again.
BTW it's my goal to play the 5/10 NL games but not as a TAG as I don't think that method will cut it. I'm probably going to join Stox very soon and watch your vids. I'm assuming you play these games and higher as a LAG.

In another post you recommended Small Stakes Hold 'em by Miller. Isn't that book geared for limit play?

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From AZ: (im having trouble interpreting what you're saying... does this mean if i have a bankroll of 4k i have only a .01% of going bust? assuming im a winning playeR?)

Yes except the dollar number is almost $4500.

From LA: (IN my experience even TAG's are around 40.)

The numbers came from a friend of mine. I might have heard him wrong but I don't think so. He's a 16/14/6 CR classic style player who has close to 30K hands under his belt. As you know sd converges much quicker than actual ev and 30K hands is quite sufficient. Next time I speak to him I'll ask him again.
BTW it's my goal to play the 5/10 NL games but not as a TAG as I don't think that method will cut it. I'm probably going to join Stox very soon and watch your vids. I'm assuming you play these games and higher as a LAG.

In another post you recommended Small Stakes Hold 'em by Miller. Isn't that book geared for limit play?

-GeoC

Yes that is for limit play, but I was a limit pro for the first half of my poker career.

As far as your thought that being a TAG doesn't cut it at 5/10 I would have to disagree. If you ask almost any player I play with they would put me in the category of a TAG. I play LAG at lower limit games but TAG at 5/10+. I am not positive, but post UIGEA I am 99%+ sure that I have the best WR of any 5/10 player on Stars and Tiltt as it is over 5bb/100. So maybe TAG is best!...hehe. Where the money comes when playing good opposition is you being able to cause them to misjudge what your actions mean. Most people think that I am just a std. TAG at these limits and they have an impeccable read on me. I have hear it a thousand times. But mixing up your play in a few timely spots and being able to hand read very well is really where the money is at in the bigger games. People wayyyyy over value the psuedo deception facotr in raising with a wide range of hands preflop. Imo it is all about making crucial later street decisions and being able to be cool and calm in these situations. Most 5/10 and 10/20 pros (and even a lot of the good ones) fail miserably at this imo. THere is no doubt that I get dominated by LAG's in the preflop and on the flop category. They definitely win a TAG's money in these situations. But turn and river play thankfully count the most and I really feel that is where I make a good chunk of my money.

That was sort of a long answer to your one TAG comment, but hopefully that explains it. If you want me to elaborate further I can try.
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