You vastly misunderestimate my thought processing . you see I dont just go out an dmeet people for beers. IF im mad at whole froumz!!! (which Im not now) shrugs.

The terms of our employment were not reached between the employer and I, they defaulted to the government's terms when they hired me and made me fill out a W-4 and go on the payroll and pay taxes.

If we would have had an arrangement like they have with another employee where he is not on the payroll and doesn't pay any taxes, we would have established the terms between us, and things would not have come to this imo. But that was not the case, they defaulted to the government's terms and did not offer me the choice of defining the terms with them, and in firing me they broke the terms of the employment that we were on.

I much rather would have not been paying any taxes, fwiw.

Well, fine, if you don't want to hang out with us, that's all you have to say!!

No, but seriously, we don't get out enough and enjoyed dinner with you. If you ever want to hang out.

High school desks were the greatest thing to crack your back on ...

:trollface:

You should report them for paying people under the table. heh.

No I do wanbt to hang out with you guys. I will write a trip report sometime about our meet i guess. but what goes on in my mind is a lot weirder than whats implied by my forum posting. It's hard to explain.

Oh I see.
So they were more likely to not honor the obligations of employment based on federal law but rather would honor a simple verbal agreement?

Depends on how things go. I may consider it.

I didn't really care for the fact that the guy is on tax payer funded social security and not supposed to be working and working and getting paid under the table. It's kinda ****ed up to me imo.

Anyway, they know that I have a good amount of dirt on them, so hopefully they'll be rational and just settle out of court and it won't have to come to filing suit and reporting them for child labor and social security labor.

you should make a map of what goes on in your mind and then post it

AngryPanda said the same thing about meeting me... That was nearly a year ago now.

Well, anytime! We had fun.


Lirva, they sound like neat people. I'm sorry you lost your job as well as a future reference. That sucks.


I'm off to bed all. Stupid early 7 am waking ups. Y'all be good!

Our terms would have been different if they were established between us and not defined by the government.

I wouldn't have been paying taxes, I wouldn't have been entitled to overtime, I wouldn't have been entitled to minimum wage, and I wouldn't have any recourse in trying to sue over issues like overtime or minimum wage because what I would have been doing would be illegal as well. But what is more important than that is that it would have been very wrong for me to try to sue under those circumstances because I would have willingly agreed to the terms we came up with.

He is just like harper, lee. He is a really slow thoughtful writer.

thx Giz

Milton Friedman was pretty boss

The more you know:

Governments as we know them today exist as a means of securing and enforcing contracts.

I don't think the government would like a contract that specifies I didn't have to have taxes taken out of my checks and they didn't have to pay overtime or minimum wage.

hi toothy!

lirva are you the one who got fired for not working overtime without being paid overtime?

If LirvA would have worked OT w/o getting paid for it then his boss could have expanded and hired more workers.

WHY DO YOU HATE JOB CREATORS LIRVA

confirmed

yall know who 13 apostle or w/e is in politics?