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05-29-2011
, 01:53 PM
05-29-2011
, 01:54 PM
Hey omg 102. How ya doing?
I'm going to cross-post my way tl;dr story bout why I won't be going back to Aria.
You prob shouldn't read it
I'm going to cross-post my way tl;dr story bout why I won't be going back to Aria.
You prob shouldn't read it
Quote:
So I'm at Aria last night around 1:45 a.m., after playing 1/3 NL for about 12 hours, and the following happens:
Opponent makes a bet on the river, throwing out a string of red chips that I can't really see how many it is. I have a flush, but feel that my opponent might have caught a full house on river, so I call, but rather than slowing the game down & asking for an exact count I just take two handfuls of chips to make sure I have the bet covered & sort of dump them in a pile over the line, saying call.
Opponent has the full house & the dealer instantly grabs all the chips I put out, & without breaking them down, mixes them in the pot & gives them to my opponent, while I'm saying hey what are you doing? He racks up & leaves seconds later & she tells him to tell his girlfriend she said hi or some similar personal message indicating that they know eachother.
I ask the dealer what the deal is & she said she was able to see that I had definitely put out exactly 40 & gave me a ton of attitude about it. The loose pile of chips was sitting right in front of my spot in the 7 seat, & not nicely stacked.
Several other players at the table chimed in about the inappropriateness of not breaking down the chips & severe unlikelihood she actually had any idea what was in the stack & just wanted to cover up her mistake. I was going to just let it go, I'm sure there's a lesson in there about protecting my chips & all that, but due to all her attitude, the floor was eventually called over.
The dealer told her side of the story...that I had put out exactly 40 & yes she should have broken them down but it was definitely exactly right. I & a couple others then explained what actually happened & the floor was like well you'd be surprised at how good dealers can be at counting chip stacks & blah blah blah.
Then we got to the part of the story with the personal message & the guy said oh, ok, let me go look into this or something to that effect. He walked away. The dealer continued to give me attitude, saying she should be able to talk to whoever she wants & it's none of my business who she wants to talk to & that she's been doing this for 7 years so she knows how many chips I put out
You'd think what she would have learned in 7 years is not to give attitude to players when they are being very polite about you screwing them over, & TO BREAK DOWN MUDDLED CHIP STACKS TO MAKE SURE THE POT IS CORRECT.
Anyway, I'd been joking around & laughing & having a good time with my tablemates & enjoying myself, but the whole thing just sort of put a damper on my night & I really just wanted to leave, but wanted to wait & see what the floor would say.
I probably put out between $45 & $60 (if I had to bet on it, I'd say it was $55), so the actual $ really wasn't important, it was more the principle of what they'd decide & how they'd deal with this.
So I don't hear a word for ~40 minutes or so, so I go up to the desk and talk to a supervisor about what's going on as I just want to go home & go to bed at this point. He says there was a shift change, & so no one was still there, but he'd talk to the dealer about it & see if anyone had filed a surveillance request or anything.
I sit around for another 30+ mins & still haven't heard anything, so I rack up, cash out, & ask him about it again. He says that no one filed a surveillance request & so there's nothing he can do now. I said I understand, but it's kind of messed up how y'all have been treating me. He said something to the effect of well sorry but that's just the way it is, deal with it.
So yeah, that, combined with some other really weird floor rulings that didn't effect me (including pulling cards out of the muck & allowing a husband & wife to trade off sitting in a seat when there were 25 people on the waiting list), & reports from a friend that she noticed at least 5 dealer errors in her tournament, I'm quite done with Aria.
I saw Barry Greenstein, David Benyamine, Scott Seiver, Iceman (!), Sorel Mizzi, etc there, so I'm sure their high stakes games are going great, & most of the dealers I had were fairly competent, but I guess they just don't have enough decent dealers to fulfill the demand, and save the good ones for the higher level people that they care about.
So yeah. Sorry for the tl;dr, but meh.
Opponent makes a bet on the river, throwing out a string of red chips that I can't really see how many it is. I have a flush, but feel that my opponent might have caught a full house on river, so I call, but rather than slowing the game down & asking for an exact count I just take two handfuls of chips to make sure I have the bet covered & sort of dump them in a pile over the line, saying call.
Opponent has the full house & the dealer instantly grabs all the chips I put out, & without breaking them down, mixes them in the pot & gives them to my opponent, while I'm saying hey what are you doing? He racks up & leaves seconds later & she tells him to tell his girlfriend she said hi or some similar personal message indicating that they know eachother.
I ask the dealer what the deal is & she said she was able to see that I had definitely put out exactly 40 & gave me a ton of attitude about it. The loose pile of chips was sitting right in front of my spot in the 7 seat, & not nicely stacked.
Several other players at the table chimed in about the inappropriateness of not breaking down the chips & severe unlikelihood she actually had any idea what was in the stack & just wanted to cover up her mistake. I was going to just let it go, I'm sure there's a lesson in there about protecting my chips & all that, but due to all her attitude, the floor was eventually called over.
The dealer told her side of the story...that I had put out exactly 40 & yes she should have broken them down but it was definitely exactly right. I & a couple others then explained what actually happened & the floor was like well you'd be surprised at how good dealers can be at counting chip stacks & blah blah blah.
Then we got to the part of the story with the personal message & the guy said oh, ok, let me go look into this or something to that effect. He walked away. The dealer continued to give me attitude, saying she should be able to talk to whoever she wants & it's none of my business who she wants to talk to & that she's been doing this for 7 years so she knows how many chips I put out
You'd think what she would have learned in 7 years is not to give attitude to players when they are being very polite about you screwing them over, & TO BREAK DOWN MUDDLED CHIP STACKS TO MAKE SURE THE POT IS CORRECT.
Anyway, I'd been joking around & laughing & having a good time with my tablemates & enjoying myself, but the whole thing just sort of put a damper on my night & I really just wanted to leave, but wanted to wait & see what the floor would say.
I probably put out between $45 & $60 (if I had to bet on it, I'd say it was $55), so the actual $ really wasn't important, it was more the principle of what they'd decide & how they'd deal with this.
So I don't hear a word for ~40 minutes or so, so I go up to the desk and talk to a supervisor about what's going on as I just want to go home & go to bed at this point. He says there was a shift change, & so no one was still there, but he'd talk to the dealer about it & see if anyone had filed a surveillance request or anything.
I sit around for another 30+ mins & still haven't heard anything, so I rack up, cash out, & ask him about it again. He says that no one filed a surveillance request & so there's nothing he can do now. I said I understand, but it's kind of messed up how y'all have been treating me. He said something to the effect of well sorry but that's just the way it is, deal with it.
So yeah, that, combined with some other really weird floor rulings that didn't effect me (including pulling cards out of the muck & allowing a husband & wife to trade off sitting in a seat when there were 25 people on the waiting list), & reports from a friend that she noticed at least 5 dealer errors in her tournament, I'm quite done with Aria.
I saw Barry Greenstein, David Benyamine, Scott Seiver, Iceman (!), Sorel Mizzi, etc there, so I'm sure their high stakes games are going great, & most of the dealers I had were fairly competent, but I guess they just don't have enough decent dealers to fulfill the demand, and save the good ones for the higher level people that they care about.
So yeah. Sorry for the tl;dr, but meh.
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Yes, he was even ambulatory.
Hey Gizmo. It's ok. How ya been?
I also should have done this, but he makes the same bet with any jack imo.