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Just to be clear: You realize it goes horse, then cart. It's energy availability that yields population growth. Not the other way around, right genius?

hahahaohwow. Want to line up birth rates vs. per capita energy use and take another crack at that one?

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In the meantime, I think the graph shows that oil is about as inelastic as food and water, and people will need it at any price ... up through the point where they get violent for it. ... Which is what we're currently seeing all over the planet.

hahahaohwow part 2

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No, that would be you. And as long as you keep insisting energy can be decoupled from the economy, and somehow isn't necessary for growth, you'll continue to look uneducated... and I'll continue to point mock and laugh at you. Your position in this debate is fundamentally the same as that of steelhouse.

Im quite comfortable with how Im viewed on this forum. If you are happy being repeatedly mocked and being banned from the adult forum, and having 15% of your thread topics locked as being terrible, then more power to ya Jiggsy.

Also never said bolded. Energy is certainly an important part of the economy. Ive said that repeatedly. ENERGY IS THE ECONOMY, well, that's a foolish statement.

08-20-2014 , 12:09 PM

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Yes, the world only had people when we had fossil fuels. Kappa.

08-20-2014 , 12:24 PM

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Paul D

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That took about 50 gallons of fossil fuel to build when a barrel of oil was three fifty.

C'mon Jiggs. You're line of argumentation is just terrible.

08-21-2014 , 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Yes, the world only had people when we had fossil fuels. Kappa.

In your perpetual terminology fail on this topic, you seem to be repeatedly confusing the term "energy" with "fossil fuels." I know you think electricity is an energy source, but it's not me that needs to read more. It's most clearly you.

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That took about 50 gallons of fossil fuel to build when a barrel of oil was three fifty.

Ummmm, yeah that was built by the energy of human/animal labor. Thousands and thousands of human beings over the course of 10-12 years. That was acceptable for that time.

People didn't "think of it," and have it magically happen.

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

C'mon Jiggs. You're line of argumentation is just terrible.

I'm not the one pretending global growth doesn't require energy. That would be you.

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08-21-2014 , 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

hahahaohwow. Want to line up birth rates vs. per capita energy use and take another crack at that one?

As soon as you acknowledge ones like these, goal post shifter, I'll consider your apples to oranges metric:

Without fossil fuels, the world’s population would be about 1 Billion today, instead of its current 6.8 Billion.

The emergence of coal as an energy source eliminated the carrying capacity limits to population growth that any traditional and biomass energy based culture would eventually face. Similarly, the predominance of oil after the middle part of the twentieth century raised the carrying capacity even further.

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Mocked by a forum full of soft science finance zealots who almost to a man, reject the role of physical science in the economy and have zero regard for the planet's natural limits? LOL... The joke isn't on me, genius.

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Also never said bolded. Energy is certainly an important part of the economy. Ive said that repeatedly. ENERGY IS THE ECONOMY, well, that's a foolish statement.

No, here's what's foolish:

People like you pretending the economy could be 1/1000th what it is today without abundant fossil fuels.

08-21-2014 , 07:35 PM

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LetsGambool

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Jiggs flat out making up other peoples positions. Never seen that before

08-21-2014 , 07:37 PM

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LetsGambool

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Peeeeeeeeeaaaaaakkkk peeeeeeeeeopppppplllee

10-20-2014 , 01:26 AM

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In a single word, ambition.

The various original settler groups who originally came here from were extremely ambitious and gung-ho, about a lot of things.

The immigrants who came here over the years were often among the most ambitious as well. The people who were willing to go all out to get here at any cost, etc.

Of course, America's ambition is also responsible for a lot of bad **** too, as ambitious people are often way more likely to play fast and loose with ethics or morals and don't necessarily mind breaking eggs to make omelets.

10-20-2014 , 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

In a single word, ambition.

Yeah the ambiton to kill the indigenous population to steal their land and then import slaves from africa sure had a lot to do with it.

10-20-2014 , 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhammad_here

Was just reading Marc anderson (one of the most popular VC in the world)

and he said soemthing about the US becoming successful (and rich eventually)

".. in the 1940s something really significant happened, which is we bombed the rest of the industrialized world. And so the industrial base of Germany was obliterated. Japan was reduced to rubble. The rest of Continental Europe was bombed. England was bombed. The industrial base of the world was bombed. The one major industrial country that wasn’t bombed was the United States. So the United States became the monopoly producer of industrial goods."

from:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...versation.html

The United States had become wealthy long before WWII.

12-11-2014 , 02:39 PM

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Herbavorus_Rex

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Become rich?

The national debt is about 18 trillion and the average American is 225k in debt.

12-23-2014 , 06:02 PM

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In my opinion. And I am no genius, But greed can go a long way. You set your people up for failure. And make them feel like they need you. mind control. propaganda!
Its ridiculous.

12-26-2014 , 12:24 PM

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How did the USA become so rich? Simple, world reserve currency, AKA the petrodollar, AKA the ability to print money at will, import valuable goods and then export the inflation to the rest of the world.

12-26-2014 , 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Hat

Lol

12-30-2014 , 10:33 AM

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The land built the city, not the other way around. Although on a per capita basis Australia might be a richer country, the land of the United States is more fertile and variable thus provided more opportunity and population. Since the land was vast it was hard to collect taxes, allowing the population freedom. Unlike Africa, we have a 9-5 work ethic. Europe was in the later stages of private ownership of land and stagnant. Asia was basically uneducated and run by dictatorships, although this has changed.

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