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Old 07-02-2012, 07:36 PM   #1
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Club Vegas 10-25-50 hand

Game starts short handed and currently 7 handed. Villain is a young self proclaimed Internet player who I have played with twice since start of wsop. He is good player who gets himself into some tricky spots because he likes to play very loose/aggressively/bluffs when he thinks his opponent "can never have a big hand here". I've witness him do that twice in our prior sessions together.

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I have $7k and villian has $5.5k

Pre flop:$85
I open steal A6 in the CO to $200. New French player calls in SB and Villian overcalls in BB. I believe his over calling range here is quite wide.

Flop:$610
Q84
Check, check, and I check behind

Turn:$610
Q84A
SB checks, BB checks, I bet 400
SB folds, BB c/r to 1400

I immedetely flag this as the type of spot he likes to make a move. I suspect he knows my stealing range wide and I would never check back this spot with a set or made flush hoping to get 3 streets of value. His check raise hopes to blow me off my bluff of this ace or any weak medium strength hand I have if he fires big on the river.
I know folding here is not an option for me and decide whether there is more value in calling or raising. If I raise it's most likely an allin and I am getting value from his big draws he calls with. If I just call and let him bluff the river I am often will get more value. I put his turn bluffing range here as mostly pairs with a flush draw or something like that. I plan to call turn and call again on most non- rivers and re-evaluate the rest.

River:$3410
Q84AK
BB slightly overbet ships for about $4100

His small overset shove kind of throws me off because I expect him to bluff with a smaller size of maybe 2200-3000 because that is small enough to accomplish the same result and save him ~1500 if called. Has he made 2 pair with KhQx? Probably not because I expect him to squeeze his BB vs my steal PF. Has he made JT for a straight he was semi bluffing on the turn? I decide his range PF is simply to wide and he would never check twice with a set or small flush at risk of losing value and giving free cards. I stick to my plan and call.

Any thing I am missing here in my reasoning ?
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:57 PM   #2
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

jamming turn seems really bad... I think i'd be folding to the turn c/r but you seem to have a read that indicates you shouldnt. also i fold pre but maybe thats too nitty. if i expect the villain to be playing back a lot and also playing well i'd prefer not to have a6o even in position
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:58 PM   #3
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

Betting the turn vs this type of player is a huge mistake unless you are inducing so I guess you got what you wanted.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:12 AM   #4
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

I prefer 125-150 here pre with these eff stacks. As played clearly read dependent. Betting turn seems pretty optional, as played I guess you have to go with your read.

I would fold river though, you rarely see overbet river bluffs. Although I usually play at the 5-10 level so not sure about tendencies at this stake.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:36 AM   #5
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

All this could have been avoided with a turn check. You have postition, but a weak kicker + weak draw = check. I'd want to see the river, and you face a shove, fold most of the time.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:36 PM   #6
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

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Betting the turn vs this type of player is a huge mistake unless you are inducing so I guess you got what you wanted.
+1.

Definetly a fml call spot, he could easily have a monster here even with the check flop and turn. I'd rather bet flop than turn here, although I am pretty sure villian would still c/r you. Hand would be super sick if villian shows up with naked A.
Also turn raise might be worse than folding.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:30 PM   #7
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

Fold to turn raise. Snapfold to river shove.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:03 PM   #8
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His small overset shove kind of throws me off because I expect him to bluff with a smaller size of maybe 2200-3000 because that is small enough to accomplish the same result and save him ~1500 if called.
Is it really the same result with both bets? it sounds like you insta-call $3k but now you're unsure about calling an all-in.

What can he have that you beat? Kx? T8x? Honestly it feels like your best scenario is a chop against something like A3x, but why would he bet that on the river. Probably I'd fold and wait for him to make the same play when you're stronger.
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Old 07-05-2012, 05:53 AM   #9
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Re: Vegas 10-25-50 hand

Bet flop.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:27 AM   #10
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Fold to turn raise imo. Also I don't think the turn is a check.
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