Hero young Asian $2500
Haven't done anything crazy today
Has been at table for ~1 hour
Raised two limpers from SB with AJs and bet $100, $200, $310 on a A4546 board and got called 3 streets by old man

Villain covers
Young Asian
We respect each other's game (I'm pretty sure)
V has 3b more than fair share including from the blinds twice
Hero made comment about V having a weird line when he 3b from blinds, bet/check/bet OOP on AJ8ddAx6x board vs old man (old man opened $30 UTG and called $200 3b) and won to a fold on river. I said I thought he was getting snapped off

Hero opens A8dd UTG $35
V calls UTG+2
Both blinds call
F $140 A72r
Checks through - I think I check here a decent amount. WAWB, Betting puts more bluffs in my range but the majority of hands that would call me have me beat. Also gives V behind me a chance to bluff.
T $140 8cc
Checks to hero, bet $100
V calls, SB calls (SB's range is pretty wide here, any draw or one pair hands)
R $440 Tx
Checks to hero, bet $275
V raises to $990
SB folds, Hero asks if he really has J9cc and?

22,77 would have bet flop. AA 3b pre
69s he folds pre, 56s he bets flop/raises turn
88 we block, also he raises turn
I can't see him taking this sizing without nutted hands - I think he raises less with AT (prob bets flop as well). TT is a possibility but good chance he 3b pre given his pre aggression today



Similar hand from WSOP14 Rio cash game
Hero $3.5k
V covers, white mid-20s aggro; looks like he could be from the internet
V opens EP $35, hero flats MP w black TT, 4 to the flop
F $140 JsTh6d
V checks, hero bets $85, only V calls
T $310 Kdd
V check/calls $200ish (don't remember exact amount, it was a year ago)
R $700 2ddd
V check/raises $440ish to $2140
IMO only value hand V could have is ATdd, any AQ combo is raising turn and not taking this line OTR, any JXdd combo is not taking this line/sizing OTR as I have this or higher flushes in my range


Do people make these bluffs? Is this a call?

If V has a bluff range I think it includes a lot of one pair hands (A5, 9T, etc)
Idk it's tough to say since flop checked thru, but he's good enough to turn one pair hands into a bluff I think. Whether he would do it (he had like $4kish so it was prob a winning session) is another question

First hand:

He reps more than one hand. AT makes sense, as does TT if he makes a loose call on the turn. All flopped sets are possible. I think you have a fairly easy fold.

Second hand:

Seems reasonable that he could play other flushes than the nut flush for value. Defending here is probably -EV and not really necessary to avoid being exploited anyhow.

1: Do you think villain would check back bottom or middle set OTF on that texture? And flat turn? I wouldn't expect anybody competent to do so

2: Q9dd would bet flop, QTdd makes sense I guess. I think I should have a ton more JXdd in my range as he checked flop and I bet. Idk I just thought with this sizing it would be nuts or nothing

I just don't believe you can narrow a player's range so accurately. Especially without more information than you've given. I think it is a big hand-reading mistake to project your idea of a standard strategy onto others.

I think on A72r he would be more likely than usual to check behind a set than if it were a board with draws. Obviously it is likely that he would bet with 77 or 22, but you need to re-evaluate the likelihood that he slowplays those when he wakes up with a raise on the river. In poker when a decent player reps extremely narrow, usually he reps less narrow than you perceive.

An example. The other day I had a hand online where I opened the button with KTo, a good player in the BB flatted, the flop was AsKs6d. He checked the flop and I checked back. Turn was AsKs6dTs. He bet big and I called. River was AsKs6dTsKd. He checked, I bet 3/4 pot and he shoved for about 2.5x pot size raise.

It was a spot where he was repping KT and QsJs only pretty much. I timed out and regretted the fold, but later on I saw him show down AKo after he flatted BVB. Point being that while he seemed to be repping 1 combo, when he massively overbets it was probably correct for me to give him a couple of AK and AA combos. Maybe I made a good fold after all.

You're sick, in game I probably convince myself he never has AK and he just has 66 and call off

I'm a station though

Also fwiw I think I bet at least 1x pot with KT there OTR, but I'm not on online player

game flow is everything in these spots

nice fold renton (I think)

^that's the thing, if he's losing/tilting, i'd be more inclined to call

but against someone who's up 2k+? i don't think they make these bluffs..
then again, you never know against a young asian

also i'm a station, so folding is tough

No1 has any heart unless they are tilting. Just remember that and you will win/save a lot of money imo.

first hand villain is repping lots more than J9... he can have some boats and any Tx hand... hero should really never have Tx, i think hero has a range of something like JJ QQ KK and some passively played Ax hands and bluffs. villain should be comfortable raising any Tx imo.

do you think raising A8 utg is profitable...? was the table tight, soft? i think A8 is just a fold pre utg....

^ there is no possible boat, there is only one T on the board

maybe it's just me but I never open fold a suited ace, leak?

yeah i would say never folding a suited ace is probably a leak in spots

Yeah, that's a pretty big leak.

1) i never open fold suited aces - if i'm the first one in, i'll open
2) i rarely fold to a single raise (standard sizing) pre - idk what optimal calling %/implied odds for this would be, anyone have an idea? i imagine we would want multi-way, in position, deep enough stacks, etc etc (but then again you can say this for most hands)

i don't think 1) is terrible in most live games (table is not 3b happy and i'm folding to most 3b pre), 2) might be a bad leak

1) It isn't terrible in most live games, but it's something that will happen over and over again so it will cost you a pretty penny since it's bad quite often.