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Old 07-23-2012, 01:15 AM   #1
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Trips vs decent lag

Game is 5/10 uncapped, min 500. Eff stacks of hand is 3-3.5kish.

Good player opens EP, fish flats btn, I flat SB w A5dd, lag flats bb.
Flop 955hh, I check bb leads 60, others fold, I make it 210, he calls turn 6x, I bet 340 he calls. River Jh, I...?

No history between me and villain, as I just sat down in the game, but Im up 500 from a few small pots.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:57 AM   #2
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:44 PM   #3
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:00 PM   #4
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c/f, c/c, b/c but for love of god no crai -_-
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:59 PM   #5
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c/f, c/c, b/c but for love of god no crai -_-
"decent lag" has a range of trips and flushes only- he's capped unless he plays J5 for a raise from the bb. "decent lag" is betting most of that range when hero checks to him- decent lags always go for value. "decent lag" is not stacking off to the crai with any of his range vs an unknown with these stacks.

So what's the problem?
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:42 PM   #6
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Is the pot going to the flop around 120? I cr bigger on the flop and bet bigger on the turn. As played I would check river and reeval. Leaning towards a call on the river given that he is a good lag and will likely know the river is a good bluff card.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:11 PM   #7
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"decent lag" has a range of trips and flushes only- he's capped unless he plays J5 for a raise from the bb. "decent lag" is betting most of that range when hero checks to him- decent lags always go for value. "decent lag" is not stacking off to the crai with any of his range vs an unknown with these stacks.

So what's the problem?
"decent lag" is bet/folding whole range otr? I dont think so!

furthermore, "decent lag" is not betting 5 OTR and probably shouldn't b/f flushes if he decides to draw on this board which is albo little bit doubtful

+ he can obv have 56

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Old 07-23-2012, 08:28 PM   #8
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"decent lag" is bet/folding whole range otr? I dont think so!

furthermore, "decent lag" is not betting 5 OTR and probably shouldn't b/f flushes if he decides to draw on this board which is albo little bit doubtful
Didn't say he was betting his whole range otr. But his betting range ~ his calling range. And yeah right he's bet/calling a flush with these stacks in live 5-10 against an unknown. Villain is capped, hero isn't- and his line would be very strong.

And I do think villain's drawing a fair amount given the sizing throughout and the possibility of it being a combo by the turn. Would help to know how much was in the pot pre obv.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:19 PM   #9
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Didn't say he was betting his whole range otr. But his betting range ~ his calling range.
He is not betting 5x but he may call it. When he has either flush or trips+ its something
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And yeah right he's bet/calling a flush with these stacks in live 5-10 against an unknown. Villain is capped, hero isn't- and his line would be very strong.
If he is calling flop % turn on paired board 5ways just to b/f flush OTR that does not seem like a decent plan to me.

And how is villains range is more capped than hero's?
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:22 AM   #10
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C/C otr; easy game
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:31 AM   #11
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b/f. Not close.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:30 AM   #12
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Didn't say he was betting his whole range otr. But his betting range ~ his calling range. And yeah right he's bet/calling a flush with these stacks in live 5-10 against an unknown. Villain is capped, hero isn't- and his line would be very strong.
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I agree c/r river 300 beebs deep looks pretty strong, and might even be a good idea if he has betsizing or other tells that make you think he has worse than a boat AND will fold it.

BB has a wide range to get to the flop, but it isn't capped by the river. I wouldn't expect a decent lag to 3bet 99 closing the action against a good player's EP open and a fish flat. He might not even 3bet JJ because he prefers the guarantee of playing a multiway postflop pot with the fish to the risk of getting in a game of preflop chicken with someone who can rep a big hand (and often has one).

I guess aside from his range not being capped, does this guy ever expect you to play boats this way? Maybe; it could well be an awesome value line to take with boats and have it occasionally be balanced by turning trips into a bluff. But man, I just think he has it too often to crai (barring tells).

In practice I probably ch-decide here. If you bet huge you're getting called almost entirely by better (perhaps a good lag could occasionally find a hero fold with 75 or something on that runout, depending on if you're solid-looking or whatever; but he's also getting here with a bunch of flushes/boats). Maybe betting small planning to fold is ok, if you don't think he's the kind of guy who will turn pairs into bluffs against unknowns. Any river raise here looks pretty strong (he has to be worried that your flush draw got there and now you're vbetting, etc etc) and he can just have so many combos that beat trips.

It's so tempting to say c/c but if he really bombed it I might consider folding. It's really tough for him to get here with air or other things that need to bluff, but I guess maybe he could talk himself into betting a 5 (even though it seems a bit silly to expect you to call with worse). Meh.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:16 AM   #13
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Re: Trips vs decent lag

B/F (easiest and most standard), maybe C/C or C/F (if you know how he plays post).

As above said, for love of god don't CRAI (or did you want to turn our hand into a bluff?) maybe if villain is Bart Hanson and he min-ish raises the river we can 3b ship on him.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:42 AM   #14
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:13 AM   #15
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c/c all day
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