Top set on dry board....

[rocketman74]

5/10 NL

Table had been a pretty soft only 1 other player at table who is good and he is villain in this hand.

V1 is reg winning player....been a pro for 5 years+ TAG and rarely get spewy or makes big mistakes

BB and limper are both rec fish with short stacks.

Hero and V1 hav eff $1900 stacks BB and limper are SS....$350-$400.

Hero raises to $40 pf from co with 1010, V1 calls from button, BB calls and 1 limper calls.

Flop $165 1072

BB donks for $30 (lol), limper calls and hero elects to flat. Although I almost never slow play I don't really see a reason to raise now but would be interested in feedback on this line. V1 raises to $120, BB and limper both fold and again I elect to just flat.

Turn $465 8

Hero leads for $300 and V1 tank calls (he often takes a long time so tank doesn't mean much). My line is so strong he knows I am a hand and I think its possible he has 7's or 2's here.

River $1065 9

Obv not a great card but hard to put V1 on too many hands that have a J or 6.

Hero???

I'm leaning to a b/f here but would like to hear from those who think a c/c or c/f is a better line???

thanks.....

[Armandinho]

flop- raise the first time around to 150/ as played back raise to 390 the second time

as played- c/raise turn to setup a river shove

as played-b/f river 350

[Armandinho]

i mean, he should never have a straight, but can have a flush, Txcc, most likely T7cc so b/f

[blueheel23]

Lol. This similar situation happened to me about 3 months ago and I had a VERY long discussion about the hand. I led river and villain folded although my villain was a horrible LAG. I think against most standard TAGs though, this is a c/f as most of the time he is going to check it back. I also think there are more clubs in his range at this point than J or 6.

I also don't think you c/r turn here as villain will most likely check back given strength showed previously and you give him a free card. I really see his showing up with QJcc, AJcc, A6cc here more often than a naked J or 6. I also think you can discount some of his sets as I think when the board gets a little scarier ott, he is probably going to be raising 77/22 in that spot so I really would put him on clubs at that point and c/f.

Reason for my range constructed is I just think he was making a play at the pot when everyone showed weakness and turned into something bigger.

[IronedSheik]

Seems like a bet/probably fold as played. Aren't there a ton of two-pair hands that will call a river bet?

[pgcounty]

do you have a reason for donking the turn?

why do you think that makes your line look strong?

i'm just confused with this one.

[bluefingin]

My problem with raising the flop is that this is a board texture where most solid players have an incredibly tight raising range 4-ways here. OP do you ever bluffraise here? I'm guessing not. What's the bottom of your value raise range on flop? AT/JJ?

However since we have donks in the hand who aren't thinking about that, I think a small raise is pretty much mandatory. 120-130 is good imo as it might induce spaz shoves from OESD and one pair hands. We also want to start building a pot in case someone is slowplaying 2 pair/set, V1 is never folding those hands and we don't want scare cards to slow down action on turn.

[masaraksh]

how about a small donk on river to induce .except this only really works against players who are ACTUALLY good. that is, they need to be able to bluff-raise rivers and turn made hands into bluffs (fish NEVER do this).

assuming he is more average and that you're overestimating him, i'm leaning to b/f > c/f > c/c

[Kreaken]

I am a fan of the small flop raise to ~$120 here as it still keeps your range wide (V1 may read into it and make a move but thats missing the point) while building the pot. That being said, you flat and V1 opens up the betting again so definitely quit slow playing now and put in a back raise for value with the nuts. As played a bet/fold on the river is really the only option and it sucks because of how fancy this hand was played.

[easycall]

Turn bet is just awful. I mean, vs a fish, sure ok go for it cause they call with all kinds of crap, but vs a good reg this line just screams strength, and as played on the flop couldnt be at a worse time.

I dont hate flatting the flop (prefer raising tho at either opportunity) but u gotta follow up by cr the turn or simply calling down to try and induce or get him to do something crazy. Leading turn is as if u want him to fold imho..and u have a set. He may read it as weak but whenever i see a line like this it just is a strong hand way more than not.

Perhaps u have history w the reg that makes your play not bad but i cant know that.

[rocketman74]

Agree that not raising flop at some point was a mistake...

Reason for donking turn is to start to build pot if he has 22 or 77 and not to give free card when board texture has changed on turn. I think c/r on turn is fine but as stated by some here he checks back the turn a lot after I flat his flop raise.

[easycall]

If you think he has a set on the turn, you will always get a bet from him when you check.

You cant really have a straight.

By betting you're basically hoping he has exactly 89, not a set. I think that hand checks back a lot but hands w little equity bet often and call never. You want him to bet his bluffs. You dont want him to fold them. If he does happen to have 98 and takes a free card, well you just have to play rivers...

If you really thought he had a set the best play would be to back raise the flop and go from there. Now, id find a tough reg raising here to have a somewhat wide range, solid regs are prolly not bluff raising light often...so thats on you and your read of villains tendencies and capabilities.

[KneedUrDough]

make it $175 after the donk and the call...

after u called and V1 raises, c/r him to ~$400 (2nd chance)

after u call (again) I don't get ur donk OTT

the reason why I raise the flop (especially after being given a 2nd chance) is because it's hard to get paid when we're OOP (u said it urself - u were afraid he'd check behind OTT)

[663366]

Flatting the donker then flatting raise actually looks a lot stronger to some people than just raising to begin with. If they have AT/KT they aren't folding to a small raise. If they have 99/88/98s/JT/QT etc they were never going to put much more money in on later streets without improving and it's on the flop where you want them to make a mistake.

[zachvac]

calling flop twice than leading turn makes no sense at all.