It's one of those spots that is probably not close at all given more precise reads of the opponent (which we don't have). IMO you're either 75% vs his range or 25%. Of course with no reads you have to play vs the population of people taking this line and that's where it becomes close.

I'll be shocked if a 2/5 live player has a big hand here. Seems like a draw, something like AcXc of 4x of clubs or a slow played over pair sometimes(yes they're that bad) Getting 1.5 to 1, we have to be right 40% of the time, it's close but I'm not folding here against a 2/5 live player ever. The spew factor is just too large to ignore.

Never folding and probably not folding AQhh either. Might take a diff line though like checking turn

i advised a flop c/raise because when you 3bet pre oop and villain calls this deep and you bet flop he will prob think "oh this guy doesn't have an overpair" and float you w/ whatever and now u pretty much have to hit ur hand or u just lose the pot on a later street a lot.

a flop c/c is blah it lets him just play perfect vs ur 3bet oop range (or in this case ur actual holding). ur hand will look a lot like what ur repping (big overpair) and so i guess if ur trying to hit ur hand and not get paid off this is an okay line. but a lot of the time the turn will go ck/ck after u c/c flop and blahh a lot of other reasons but I'm too tired to write out. a flop c/c is just too passive of a line to take vs this described guy with ur hand it think..

so ya i think flop c/raise is pretty cool.

this is really dependent on the opponent. you are quite obviously capped here, and other than the 3 combos of QQ you're gonna often have 1 pair or worse. so the question is, is this villain the guy who is going to try to exploit you here? consider that, and that its a pretty massive shove. a good player will be polarized here. he could have sized differently and shoved river but didnt. what does that mean? i would convince myself that he has a ton of flush draws given the preflop sizing, and would crycall knowing im at least drawing to the nuts.

Realistically though besides AsQs what ofher hands are u 3 betting pre and checkraising flop with? Wouldnt the majority of hands u 3 bet pre and checkraise flop consist of alot of draws? Would u check raise flop with AA or Kk and bloat a pot oop with a vulnerable hand on this texture?

c/c flop is def > c/r. It's very tricky, i.e. you frequently win huge pots when you hit your flush, you probably never get made for a Q when you turn or river it, and you probably can find a bluff on runouts with a king.

C/r doesn't work well for your range (it's an over-play with KK), and it doesn't even work particularly well for this hand. The stacks are awkward for it. If you check and he bets 150, you raise to 500-600, you create a ~1200 pot on turn with ~ 1700 behind. You'd much rather have 950 or 3500 behind there. You devalue your hand by creating a situation that so often leads to you shoving turn with 25% equity for terrible semibluffing pot odds.

One thing that i dont understand is why my opponent shoves here... The reason i do not understand the shove is because i just would fold majority of hands here. I happen to have one of the very few hands i want to call this shove with. So basically what im saying is that his shove is only really profitable when its a bluff or semibluff and if he has a set or straight its unprofitable cuz he will lose me on the turn most of the time..

I do play a lot deep 2/5 and would say for this to be a bluff your image has to be 'scared money' or 'folds way to often'.

I´ve called this one many times, and against kinda tight regs this is like always a set and they will try to exploit you by just never bluffing - making it wrong to ever call.

2/5 regs are often scared money.

^this is low key the best post itt

Agreed. The stakes being played are a pretty vital component to a hh imo.

Ya.. I wanted to edit it but it was too late. Excuse me for not putting in that info.

I agree with you 100% that in The United states people who are playing 2 5 are usually not as big risk takers as people who play 5 10 and higher.. The villain and I just happen to be in a 2 5 game because it was the biggest game running at the time.. I play as big as 25 50 and the villain plays even bigger up to 50 100.. Scared money is not the case for either of us at these stakes

As vital information was unveiled, this went from an easy call to an easy fold back to an easy call.

were playing against a "solid tag". ur hand is just so huge on the flop and the fact that ur oop i just have no problem c/raising flop huge and ripping most turns against this guy. ur gonna win the pot a lot on the flop w/ a c/raise and moreso on the turn if he calls. ya ur flop c/raise range is gonna be basically big overpairs + nfd + big overs w/ flush draw and I'm happy to play that range vs a "solid tag" whose trying to bluff catch you. ur just gonna own him so much.

if u hit on the turn after a flop c/raise u can obv massage him in terms of bet sizing into getting his stack but thats the easy part.

I asked a few days later why he jammed turn he said that he thought if he put in a std raise on turn that he would lose me and if he flatted me that rivers could come off where i wont pay him.. So basically hes saying he did it to level me.. im not really sire if he leveled me though.. I called off cuz my hand was just too big but his shove actually gets me to fold the majority of my range that is drawing dead that he can get value from. So not sure how good his play is here. Or how bad my call is..

Call

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My first thought is that you are going to see a fair number of draws and combo draws from Villain here.

Id c/c flop also. Might lead a smidge less than 1/3 vs aggros.

lol at his "level" turn sizing. He can't ever have enough bluffs to be anywhere near balanced. Sigh that you actually had a sweet hand and fold now.

Renton, say hand plays out with villain flatting turn. What is your typical line/sizing on 5 and/or rivers?