Live poker

And we are in the sb w xx

100-200bb effective

Co/btn opens 3-4x and is a decent player. Not a fish by any means. Will play good vs you in position, but is def opening lighter to get hand vs the bb. Bb is a fish and we are in the sb.

What is better, 3b (typical value range, some bluffs occasionally) or flatting your entire range to let the bb in?

What if fish has 50-80bb? I would imagine this would make me more apt to flat my entire range since i can stack bb easier post flop and push him out often pre by 3b.

Thoughts?

I suppose you need to define the fish, but I guess the easy answer is it is more important to let the fish in than to try and outplay the iso raiser who is a winning player. Imo it is probably more profitable to take it down on the flop than pre anyways.

Fish being loose/passive, stationy post, doesnt 3b light, etc.

Also 3b pre vs a good, astute opener will kinda announce you have a strong hand right? At least a polarized range weighted toward strength? Thus 3betting air/blockers more profitable than folding (when calling isnt an option)?

I 3Ball jj+ and AK here almost always because you will be oop. Since I know the CO is opening wide I also 3 bet some non playable hands or hands that don't flop well as bluffs. Then all my pp's, SC's broadways etc I'll just flat.

What sucks is our position on the fish!! I get HU with the CO OOP more often than not which sucks ALOT. Time for a seat change pretty much anywhere else on the table unless there are more than one at the table

Haha, wasn't really planning to ask this but say game is full but seat opens on direct left or two from his left.

Do u really snap take it? I feel awkward doing that...

Don't jump up and down, look right at the fish and proclaim I want that seat so I can be on your left...either seat change quietly, tell the dealer I want that seat when ther blind hits there, or if you feel akward, say I need a change "because I'm card dead" or "I want to see that tv" etc

Yea never ever would i say the former. Ive said the latter before but still feels awkward. Guess thats just part of live.

3b all junk hands that have no value (I.e. 72,83,etc), flat suited connectors and small pp, raise TT+. It's not worth slow playing a big hand here Being that you'll have little idea of where you're at post with sb and co essentially holding any 2.

I am pretty sure folding junk hands is the preferred option. I love 3betting junk and being flatted. Out of position. By a fish who hates to fold.

Couple thoughts:
A) fish aren't normally calling this 3 bet in this spot - remember the fish is in bb and good player is on the button - if they're calling 3 and 4 bets then I agree with flatting multiway hands and folding junk. Most are passive calling stations and not maniac calling stations
--- move I like to make is raising any 2 from blinds vs 1 fish limpet and betting flop where they play fit/fold
B) if they do call theyre going to be playing fit/fold a bunch
C) if you get called in both spots you can shut it down

A) Yeaah, fishes are much, much more likely to flat 3-bets. They actually flat it with a pretty wide range instead of 4-betting.
B) fit/fold doesn't mean to fishes the same as it does to regs. Two overcards to a fishes 88 and you're stuck or a gutshot.
C) If fish flats, this a very likely scenario since the reg has absolutely nuts-position.

Don't do this, 3-bet as a bluff hands that play actually decently against fishes flat range and/or hands that play decently OOP multiway in a 3-bet pot against these specific opponents... well don't suck completely. Also the hand "performance" should be naturally compared to other options pre, that being flatting/folding which depends a lot about the reg and his c-bet tendencies and how the fish plays post vs c-bets/action in front of him.

Against typical players, I never 3-bet in this spot because it's so hard to balance.

With a loose fish in the BB, I think you should 3-bet more with your premiums and 3-bet less with everything else, since the fish is presumably more likely to call with garbage, and less likely to be able to exploit your narrowed ranges.

But unless the fish is totally braindead, I think the need for adjustment is pretty marginal. I'd still probably just call or fold with my entire range.

Whenever you raise with your premiums, you cap your calling range. And that puts you in a lot of really bad spots against a competent opponent, when you call.

In live poker, with so few hands/hour position is very important. At first you will feel awkward but after doing it all the time, it becomes nothing. Just ask for a seat change and most fish won't even know the difference. Unless I am just running like god, I have no issue moving at a table to get position. Most players at the table don't even notice. Honestly, I'm surprised good players aren't always salivating to get best position at the table.