I like it

Rec fish 3-bets and is barreling OTF on a very good board for your range and a turn that smashes your 3-bet calling range. With two flush draws out there, why would you ever ever slowplay a set? That is massively -EV when his range is 90% overpairs/2PR and the rest flush draws/QQ/spazzed out PP pre that are now a set. Even if you blacked out your hole cards, I'd think you'd be bluffing here enough to make a call pretty +EV. A reg would realize that x/calling flop and turn, then x/jamming river would yield the least amount of EV vs fish that don't fold overpairs (as well as 3-bet bluffs pre that are now 2PR/combo draws), especially when the board has double flush draws and so many straight draws. Now if you played this vs a very good reg, I'd probably think it's a close spot between fold or call.

Since when will a fish ever exploit your "completely unprotected" calling range? This whole GTO on the forums that has been popping up in the past year on these forums is a bunch of nonsense. No one is playing anybody as good as say on 500NL Zoom where you can actually get exploited in potential spots like this. Nobody in live poker is good enough to be exploiting you here for not raising a set before the river.

It is pretty silly and not a part of GTO to arrive at this river with a non-trivial number of set combos. If you look at any equilbrium solver, OOP plays rivers like this by simply defending the top 1-alpha percentage of his range. Basically defending with strong Qx and better the appropriate amount of the time to avoid being exploited. Slowplaying the flop and turn leaves a lot of money on the table for not a lot of range protection benefit.

I'd give up river, mayyybe try this move with 1-2Kish more effective and some history. Think turn is close, prob call against good players, fold vs donks.

Dont do this vs a rec. plus your a young kid in a hoodie, your image is terrible already.

stop posting! haha. but really is this what 10/20+ poker has come to? Everyone using solvers?

No, just saying that in response to the claim that slowplaying sets OOP on extremely wet boards is GTO.

Dude it's like what $50NL has come to

I guess what i'm saying is it's a really bad idea for all of us to be promoting the use of solvers or even mentioning them for live 5/10+. I mean if even a fraction of bad pros and serious recs started using them to plug massive leaks when OOP we wouldn't have a poker game imo.

...but this is a strategy forum?

What you're actually saying is we should give incorrect information like we do at the table, or rather, not give away any "good" information

e.g. fish asks "would you have called there?" (when its an obvious fold)
"idk man it was close!!@!"

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your point (or agreeing with it), but at least classify your own argument correctly: you would rather nobody post anything of value on MHSFR

What are these solvers everyone is talking about? Sounds like they're pretty important to have in this day and age

No. That's not what I'm saying at all. 2p2 has always been about pointing someone in the right direction imo, not giving them amazing information on a golden platter free of charge. Give just enough to point them in the general direction and if they truly want it badly then they'll go digging for it themselves.

There's lots of talk about trying to prop games up, not racing to the bottom. Well you can forget about worrying about seat hopping, table changing, short stacking, hit and running, not straddling etc etc. The ultimate race to the bottom is what has been mentioned by Renton.

You sound kinda upset that I told someone to stop doing all the work for you.

lmao

It's no secret that poker is dying. Online poker especially. However, I think live poker has a much longer life time. The problem is eventually everyone will have a solver (the solvers are only getting better)app on their phones.

Should just focus on making the games fun for the fun players. Converse. Contribute. Have a good time.

lol at live regs using solvers...most of these dudes lose hard at .5/1.00 online and wouldnt invest the time or the money to learn how to properly utilize these softwares

People said the same thing about live training vids, range calculators and the like but look where we are now. All it takes is one great video series that properly explains how to use it (people laughed at the thought of pros being able to explain high level concepts 5+ years ago but again look where we are now) for pros to add it into their games. They don't even have to properly apply even idk 30% in order to absolutely ruin the games. I think live poker games are much more fragile than what people think.

Do the doomsayers actually play poker (live or in alternate universe) or are they more or less non-practicing armchair apocalyptists and/or unoriginal trolls?

Is there anyone out there that plays outside of the alternate universe of LA/socal? If you're denying that games haven't changed at all over the last 7 years, then who is actually the unoriginal troll? it's also really dumb to think live players haven't already or will not use these powerful tools in the future. theres even a successful PGC about this. Breakevenish small winner at 5/10+, opened the books and the software and it looks like that player made well over 6 figures playing part time.

Plugged hand into my solver. Says this is optimal and totally standard. Don't see what the problem is, just unlucky. Don't be result oriented!

Dont think it's actually posted but it's been implied that V called with AA?
Well if you just ran a standard tree then solver assumes your opponent is playing optimally, which this villian is definitely not..

Snowball you should work on your internet trolling detection, it seems to be off.

I didn't check pio but wouldn't be surprised if it gave a result that makes that post not a troll

Yeah he called with red AA, cosmo forgot I only told him in person and I am pretty sure he was trolling haha


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don't think pio can handle this spot. GTrOllrb prob a better choice here

Did he say my speech verbatim?