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Old 08-16-2012, 01:36 PM   #16
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Re: To raise or flat?

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I hope this is a level.

Not a level...what exactly do YOU think his donking range is here?
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:56 PM   #17
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Re: To raise or flat?

Villain stated that a fish has a wide donking range. If the game is weak, b/c wimps are behind you, that actually is a profitable strat w a super-bluffy range. However, fish tend not to be position competent, so they will bet their hand regardless of position, based on what they think are its merits. So I would expect deep-fish's donk range to have air at least 10-20 percent (or more), and basically be any pair on up. Much of which he is folding to a raise (very likely a J or a weak A 'betting to see where I am at'). Against players like this, raising should almost always be a preferred strat, unless you want to peel and raise turn (for val).

@Borgata, I will prob be down there on memorial day; how do I recog you to play at your table?
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:35 AM   #18
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Re: To raise or flat?

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What about his flop bet sizing? I ended up raising flop to $300 and it went fold-fold. I normally agree with you but since flop bet was so small a raise just felt right.
Guys, help me understand if I'm thinking this thru properly.

The flop bet sizing indicates weakness...so the reason the old nittier player flatted was a float to possibly take the pot away on a later street (if he's capable of floating), plus if you whiffed on this board, he may think his flat looks super strong to you...so he thinks you're going away. If you don't, he's done with the hand.

We know old balls never slow plays anything, so unless he binks the turn (whatever his limp/call range is here) we're not worried about him. If the mark can fire the turn and grow attached to the pot, we raise then?

I understand there are possibly several bad cards for us on later streets, and we dont have the board crushed so hard that it merits slow playing TPTK, (reasons to raise) however I did want to ask you guys if you think we extract more out of the weaker part of the fish's range with a flat. I'm just not sure there's enough hands in his range we're ahead of that are strong enough to call with.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:47 PM   #19
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Re: To raise or flat?

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I hope this is a level.
His whole account is an obvious level, check his post history
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:04 PM   #20
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Re: To raise or flat?

Wat's your img? How active have you been in the last 2 hrs? If you're solid or a nit, watch as fish snap-folds Axs and old nit folds AQ to your rai when you could've got value on the turn.
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:39 PM   #21
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Raise smallish and put the fish on the installment plan on the turn and river. I'd make it $280 or something.
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