This hand isn't a huge deal or anything but it's been bothering me a little bit

villain had just come over from another table which I assume is a 10/25 game that broke. I haven't seen him before, but everything about him tells me hes a good reg (bought in max, has tons more chips in his pocket, reggy boss presence, etc)

Hand is at 5/10 nl, 9 handed, about 2k effective

Folds to him in the hijack or lojack and he opens to 30, sb fish flats, we 150 AJcc from bb, they all flat

Flop KJThh: checks through pretty quickly

turn K: sb checks, we bet 275 into 450, reg flats, fish folds

riv 6o (final board is KJThh K 6): We tank for a while deciding between vbet/folding smallish and check/deciding, and end up checking, villain bets 550 (about half pot) pretty quickly, we....

I think my hand is superrrrrr face up and he bet such a callable amount but at the same time it's hard for him to have something good here...I guess he checks KQ OTF but idk. ugh

comments anywhere appreciated, just a quick line check

thanks guys

This sucks. I just don't know how he checks the flop with a K or even QJ/JT here. But at the same time I don't know how a good reg donk valuebets the river with Jx/Tx after you show strength on the turn. And his sizing is terrible for turning his hand into a bluff.

In game I probably talk myself into a call, but the more I think about it, he could be trapping with a really strong hand on the flop. And since he just came over, maybe he didnt realize that there is a fish in SB who he could probably take to value town by betting flop/turn. I like how you played it up til the river, but I think we have to fold.

I think it's super close but given how you played this hand I suspect you have some stronger hands in your range you can be calling with....specifically AA and QQ. If he's the type to turn QT into a bluff here this would be a call but if he's not the only stuff he can be bluffing with is whiffed hearts.

I fold here too

His river sizing is scary

i agree that it's pretty close, and probably should be a fold. i think this is a spot where V may be splitting his range and value betting small and bluffing larger since he thinks you have ~QQ every time

seems like an easy river fold given he checked behind on the flop and called your turn bet - I think hearts/AT/QT/etc would just bet the flop.....as for pre I'm not a big fan - I guess its more viable with a poor SB coming along but if it was just HU I can't imagine 3betting this 2k deep is too good

Wouldn't be surprised at AQ. Checks through nuts OTF (but also opened pf and called 3b) and calls down hoping to value town you on river (with you having K, or J). But yea, fold. I might bet/fold also depending. If you bet and he raises it's significantly easier to give up. Live feel adds a lot to this hand.

I'd fold pretty fast. I'm not in love with checking flop and betting turn though. I'd prob do the opposite actually, or check a bunch of times. What city was this in?

Definitely close, but I'm finding the fold button 9 out of 10 times I think. Probably check turn as well

everything tells me to fold, But given it's Live I want to call, His Line doesn't make much sense for Kx+, But he could have something like QQ. I think it's close like the others said. But I probably just call.

When/if you bet flop / check turn what is your turn / river plan vs same single villain? (If he half pots turn, or checks turn & river blanks, etc)

275 on the turn seems a little large given most of your value betting range is not nutted and you only are trying to protect against marginal draws on a paired board. I'd rather bet 200-225 or check again.

On the river, I think he's just got a king really often and you only beat heart draws (which may have bet flop) and possibly pairs turned into bluffs like QT (only 3 combos). Meanwhile you lose to KQ AK, possibly AA.

edit: Also you're not particularly high in your range here. You could have Kx, AA, QQ.

Flat pre fold river. I really don't understand the concept of 3b oop against someone we think is good.

It's a good idea to try to iso the fish with a bigger pot. Getting called by both of them is fine too, but getting HJ to fold and SB fish to call leads to a lot of very profitable outcomes.

I get that, I just don't think fish calling original raiser folding happens enough to make it better then just flatting and playing a pot near the top of our range with fish still in.

Dunno, I think it is a pretty thick 3-bet.

I think this happens much more often than the opposite. The reg is not calling 3bet with 100% of his MP raising range and the fish, well... Fish is fish

IME if reg is the one being squeezed as is here, we are much more likely to get folds from him than if he is overcalling as in the fish's spot.

However some regs can be pretty sticky for some pretty valid reasons. Position, odds (assuming fish calls), opportunity to play big pot with fish, and maybe a hand that does well against your 3betting range this deep (pp, SC)

I still like the 3bet. We are likely ahead of both V's range and it is often easier / more profitable to play this hand with betting initiative out of position (altho that is debatable especially vs certain player types)

sorry for abandoning....haven't been on here in a while and somehow it's still on the first page haha

3bet was just purely purely for value, maybe I could flat and I know a lot of guys flat 100% and 3bet 0% here when deep oop but i haven't adopted that approach yet

To answer DGAF: this hand was played at MD live 5/10. Flop check was for pot control, OTT I thought I was ahead very often and it was safe to bet, I like all of the responses

I think the 3-bet is fine. Flatting is ok too.

Turn bet seems a bit thin, just check/decide. Yes, you will lose some value from the fish but you might be able to v-bet the river anyways against him. If the turn gets heated, you can just fold.

Fold now.

Everything is fine, he has K9 suited, you can fold or try to make him fold on the river.

Pre is good. 3b is gonna yield much higher ev compared w flatting don't think it's that close tbh
Flop good
Turn I like checking a lot more
Think two streets is ambitious

For those who think the turn bet is thin, I think protection is a big part of the appeal here. Most of what you want to get value from will sooner call turn than call a blank river, and getting folds from gutshots would be great.

I'm calling turn and god bless him if he can bet worse on the river.

If he checks back turn the hand gets way more interesting imo and no way I'm gonna say what I'd do on the river lol.

yea but on scary boards where we cap our range otf im not as concerned with charging draws as i am with protecting my range vs tough players who can exploit this (imo)