***Official 2012 Where's my f***in money FTP Thread***

[Jkpoker10]

I'm def asking for the value of the bounced check that occured during black friday and also want the time value of my money. This is bull **** ( I know 2nd part is unreasonable to think will occur). Any large sum of money can easily sit in a market fund and make 6-8% over a year so I think the US govt should go *** itself.

As for time frame, I hope we get our money within the next 2-4 months because this waiting has been a joke. And taxes, forget about them, when I have to wait for a fairly substantial sum of money (for my situation) for 1 year + since the US govt has to play good cop is terrible.

[DoubleFly]

Originally Posted by DamnRinger

Link currently seems to be down but Wendeen strikes again with misleading wording prior to an article:

http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/...-america-12334

That picture of her cracks me up. Surely that can't be the best photo?

I don't think she had anything to say in that article.

[Adam27X]

Originally Posted by DoubleFly

I don't think she had anything to say in that article.

+1. Just seems like she's trying to stir the pot for no reason.

[sparky999]

@zach

Melbourne from Jan - April/May seems like a no brainer if you have the freedom to travel for that long.
Aussie millions
Australia Day
Aus tennis open
Formula 1 Grand Prix
WSOP Asia in April in Melbourne.


Probably some other events I am overlooking too.

[zachvac]

basically have winter break from school all of January (late December too but Christmas with family) so AM is pretty much perfect for my schedule. Have to leave end of January though can't do until April/May.

edit: also it's warm during that time and **** cold.

[sparky999]

Well before this thread totally dies I have a question -

Performance enhancing drugs(PEDs) are generally considered to be a bad thing. I just got to thinking isn't any drug/medicine essentially a performance enhancing drug, say an athlete gets sick few weeks before a meet he takes antibiotics gets better and competes at his best. Are those antibiotics not essentially an immune system PED? Enabling him a victory perhaps that would not otherwise have been achievable with out the antibiotics.

So are steroids/growth hormones essentially the same as antibiotics for example? Are PEDs just another 'food group' that can form part of a healthy well balanced diet perhaps? Or is the key factor that steroids aim is to increase your performance level above 100% where as antibiotics are there to simply return you to 100%.

Not really sure how I feel about drugs in sport it's clearly incredibly widespread to the point that I'm not sure how much difference it would really make in some sports if they just allowed all PEDs.

[thepizzlefosho]

see documentary: Bigger Faster Stronger.

[Mr Spyutastic]

Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho

see documentary: Bigger Faster Stronger.

It will make you want to do steroids. Also it cures cancer.

[zachvac]

Originally Posted by sparky999

Well before this thread totally dies I have a question -

Performance enhancing drugs(PEDs) are generally considered to be a bad thing. I just got to thinking isn't any drug/medicine essentially a performance enhancing drug, say an athlete gets sick few weeks before a meet he takes antibiotics gets better and competes at his best. Are those antibiotics not essentially an immune system PED? Enabling him a victory perhaps that would not otherwise have been achievable with out the antibiotics.

So are steroids/growth hormones essentially the same as antibiotics for example? Are PEDs just another 'food group' that can form part of a healthy well balanced diet perhaps? Or is the key factor that steroids aim is to increase your performance level above 100% where as antibiotics are there to simply return you to 100%.

Not really sure how I feel about drugs in sport it's clearly incredibly widespread to the point that I'm not sure how much difference it would really make in some sports if they just allowed all PEDs.

I always thought it had to do with the negative side-effects. No one complains when people eat healthy/work out, it's when people take **** that can be super-damaging long-term to your body. I don't know that much about the issue but I think it's just that in that kind of system it's basically impossible to be near the top in any sport without ****ing up your body long-term. I guess that's kinda true either way in sports like football (avg life span is like 45 or something?) but in general most sports try to keep an image of not ****ing up athletes long-term.

[sparky999]

Making it legal could lead to much safer use of PEDs, same argument can be made for most drugs. Make it legal and then people can get regular blood work done etc with out the risk of getting banned/thrown in jail, making it legal also leads to better education about side effects and often leads to much more long term research being done.

[coordi]

I believe a very decent portion of affluent people take some form/amount of HGH. There is a lot less research into the long term negative effects of HGH compared to steroids but they seem to be "healthier".

[novel20]

Sedentary poker players talk about steroids.

[thepizzlefosho]

Originally Posted by zachvac

I always thought it had to do with the negative side-effects. No one complains when people eat healthy/work out, it's when people take **** that can be super-damaging long-term to your body. I don't know that much about the issue but I think it's just that in that kind of system it's basically impossible to be near the top in any sport without ****ing up your body long-term. I guess that's kinda true either way in sports like football (avg life span is like 45 or something?) but in general most sports try to keep an image of not ****ing up athletes long-term.

athletes (not including PED users) including football players live longer than average lives. they've done recent studies to show this. american football players live as long as baseball players, and they both live longer than average. The only athletes that probably have a lower average lifespan might be professional wrestlers. Although I doubt any broad studies have been done on professional wrestlers. And in their case as much damage is done because of away from the sport causes (drinking, drugs, obesity, etc) as damage done to their bodies in the ring.

while the nfl has some serious long term injury issues to address, the argument that football is literally killing NFL veterans is patently false. This is also why the retired nfl vets are going to have a hard time winning law suits in court claiming they are owed disability, greater, pensions, or damages for their time in the nfl. The stats don't support them on a broad level, and in general football players lived healthier lives than non football players.

Any job that requires most of the employees to be in near peak physical condition for nearly the entire year is going to have positive impacts on long term health conditions. Just no comparison to average joes working manual day jobs or desk jobs.

all that being said I do think our burgeoning understanding of the long term impacts of concussions may drastically change the landscape of amateur football within 25-30 years. I wouldn't be shocked if college football becomes a form of professional football, and amateur state sponsored high school football is outlawed in most states.

[Adam27X]

My high school's football team was #2 in the country back when I went there (the team had a game televised on ESPN2 last night, actually) and I'm certain some of the players on the team were using PEDs. Some of these guys were only 15-16 years old.

They're pressured into using the drugs because they feel as though football is their only outlet in life and that they must perform well. The unfortunate thing is they can't even understand the long-term physical effects yet or, even worse, can understand them but are never informed of them.

[DoubleFly]

Imo if you can't enforce the rule effectively, then you should let everyone use it.