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is my sizing wrong? is my sizing wrong?

10-23-2016 , 07:40 PM
6 handed 5-10 with $20 straddle on btn
i have 3.2k, villain has more
i raise as4s in lj to $80, co calls,everyone folds
pot:$195

flop: 3s3d6d

i bet $60, co calls
pot: $315

turn: 3d3s6dts

i bet $175, call
pot $665

river: 3d3s6dtsKh

i bet $350

i am a limit player and am new to this game. would appreciate any feedback/criticisms. fwiw, my thinking is this should be a mandatory barrel, but i am confused about bet sizing. i think i should have potted the river. i'm also not sure about opening sizes oop vs a straddle. in this case it was a loose/good player, so maybe not open? maybe bigger if i do?

Last edited by steveistheman84; 10-23-2016 at 07:47 PM.
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10-24-2016 , 07:37 AM
info on co?
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10-24-2016 , 08:00 AM
he's another good limit player of all varieties that's fairly new to nl. thinks about hands and ranges well, but also pays off light (in limit). i'm actually pretty certain my sizing sucks. i was trying not to narrow my range too much with a river bomb tho. i still wanted to have tt-qq in my range. i think i c/ the turn with most of my kx hands (if that's even correct).

on the turn i feel i should be barreling all fd's, with the exception of maybe aj+? and shutting down river with ax of diamonds and the strongest ax spades? not really sure at all.
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10-24-2016 , 08:25 AM
Flop bet is way too small OOP. IP this would be fine. This is a good flop to bet small but not that small, maybe something like 1/2 pot. There's also a flush draw. You have range advantage but it's not that big. Your opponent is doing the correct move by just clicking call which they often will IP with these positions. You are not getting rid off two overcards here.

Turn opens up a second fd and couple of straight draws. A bit too small again (I prefer $210-$220) but definitely a barrel.

Pot on the river is better. You might get called down light anyways. I might actually exploit here and barrel less than optimal.

On the river, I would just give up against most decent and bad opponents. Most of my fd's don't have a king, bet sizings this far makes us rep an overpair. A part of them might not bet either so king is not very scary. AK without no fd doesn't end up here like this often. All the draws missed. Therefore I'm betting big.


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on the turn i feel i should be barreling all fd's, with the exception of maybe aj+? and shutting down river with ax of diamonds and the strongest ax spades? not really sure at all.
I'm not sure that shutting down with bigger Ax fd's is helpful. Your opponent will certainly bluff you out of them with worse if you check. The blockers actually might be more beneficial than the fact that he/she might check back AJ/AQ with the exact other fd once for a split or something. x/c is interesting but probably bad.

Last edited by Imaginary F(r)iend; 10-24-2016 at 08:39 AM.
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10-24-2016 , 07:17 PM
ok, thanks. what do you think about pre? is 80 about right for raising oop vs btn straddle (loose/good player). and should i consider folding a4s?
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10-24-2016 , 07:26 PM
you are repping bluff pretty hard with this line
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10-24-2016 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
you are repping bluff pretty hard with this line
i completely disagree. i think the problem with the sizing would seem to help villain with pot odds, but do the exact opposite concerning my range.
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10-24-2016 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
i completely disagree. i think the problem with the sizing would seem to help villain with pot odds, but do the exact opposite concerning my range.
which value hands do you take this line with?

more importantly, which value hands does the general public take this line with?
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10-25-2016 , 12:13 AM
for me, at least tt+. (i have no idea what the standard lines are in this game-revert to op- , and villain only has a slighly better idea i think). should i still be potting river with those?

i guess i should, being the k is kind of a brick.

and i don't really think i should be checking the turn with any of these.

i do admit, the super small flop bet is bad, cuz i'm pretty much just c/f'ing turn with anything less than kx w/out fd.
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10-25-2016 , 05:24 PM
flop sizing good, either choose this small size or bet pot or 125%. middle sizing is okish but previous strategies are prolly better. id bet small with many many hands on this board
pot turn or overbet turn
all in or x otr
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10-25-2016 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
flop sizing good, either choose this small size or bet pot or 125%. middle sizing is okish but previous strategies are prolly better. id bet small with many many hands on this board
pot turn or overbet turn
all in or x otr
is this a troll? not sure

pretty much i've come to the conflusion that i should:
flop: 1/2 pot
turn: 3/4 pot
river: pot

this about right?
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10-25-2016 , 07:22 PM
no its prolly the best advice itt
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10-25-2016 , 07:27 PM
Yeah I definitely like the 3-barrel here, seems tough for him to have strong hands, the only ones I can come up with are A3, 33 and 66, just a few combos. He'll mostly have missed diamonds (that may have paired up) and middling pairs.

Bit bigger on the flop, 1/2 pot seems fine, 2/3 on turn and 2/3 on river seems good. You could go as wide as AT+ for value on the river.
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10-25-2016 , 08:06 PM
I'd bet flop 60%, and 90% turn and river. Most of the hands in your value range will be hard to beat for him so you should want to bet larger with them so you can bluff more. He should only have few Kx flush draws, and although you said you check Kx on the turn, I think you should bet a lot of AK and KQ that have a diamond and/or spade, and bet those flush rivers. You don't want to check/give up that much equity with those hands when you can bet so much due to range advantage.
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10-26-2016 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
is this a troll? not sure
Ignore list is a thing and makes strategy forums usable. Otherwise you end up wasting a lot of time.
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10-26-2016 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
flop sizing good, either choose this small size or bet pot or 125%. middle sizing is okish but previous strategies are prolly better. id bet small with many many hands on this board
pot turn or overbet turn
all in or x otr
I've experimented with 1/3 pot or similar super small sizing on paired boards as the pfr. Haven't had much success tbh.

I was taught from online that we should be betting these boards with 100 percent of our range against 1-2 opponents.

However, I'm starting to rethink this strategy. I find I get floated a lot using these small sizings. Rarely- do i cbet this size and win.
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10-26-2016 , 04:10 AM
FWIW, if we do use this size on flop (which I wouldn't), I like potting turn.
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10-26-2016 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by y0l0Theory
I've experimented with 1/3 pot or similar super small sizing on paired boards as the pfr. Haven't had much success tbh.

I was taught from online that we should be betting these boards with 100 percent of our range against 1-2 opponents.

However, I'm starting to rethink this strategy. I find I get floated a lot using these small sizings. Rarely- do i cbet this size and win.
That's the whole idea is to get called by a wider range which will make turn barrels more successful and also get more calls from weaker parts of their range vs ur value region

100% is way 2 hi vs 2opponents but in this case I like it with your bds
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10-26-2016 , 03:59 PM
Im probably leaking then by only barreling turns when i have it or pick up equity like in hand posted above. Obviously barreling some overcards as well but even that i dont think is enough.

If we get floated such a high percentage of the time by a weak range that calls flop- im sure we need to be following through with turn barrell much more often than ive been doing.
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11-02-2016 , 11:12 PM
you're getting called pretty light here. And running into a bunch of Tx and Kx that's never folding
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