I don't know all the action (plz provide if you do) but that's just way too exploitable 3-handed not deep imho. That would make floating/merging/etc insanely profitable.

A bunch of 50 yo white dudes filing into cardrooms? I'd be chill with that.

Edit: a female winning would be best obv. Of the final 3 tho, I liked the kid best, the asian dude 2nd, and bax 3rd. But for poker's sake, I was rooting for them to finish opposite of that order.

Someone is always getting exploited. In this hand Bax could have exploited the kids uber tight play by making a big lay down.

Pretty sure it was Bax raise button 22, kid call sb 33, champ squeeze Ax, call, call. Flop k32r. X,Cbet, call, overcall. 4o. X,X,B, xrai, fold, tank call

Kid doesn't call k3 k4 A5 56 twice pre and 3 bets off Ak,AA and KK pre. He won't check ship KQ for his tourney life so he has 333 exactly almost always. And it was 50m chip call off. Pretty glaring example of absolute vs relative hand strength. Also a good example of how a very seasoned tourney pro that I at least thought was super good turned out to choke pretty hard when it mattered most.

Yep I had it right.

https://youtu.be/hg10NT9KUC8

What should/would he do with KQ? Bax doesn't have AK...

Bax should have a good amount of hands he needs to bluff turn with (after correctly calling flop wider than top pair/saying fml when Vayo overcalls).

Bax is at the top of his range/he's capped and very, very narrow wrt stack off hands (he has none according to a lot of people)---> helluva spot for Vayo to bluff/merge imo.

Pre is always wide by all 3-handed, and raccoon hat's squeeze doesn't mean much given history/image.

Cold-calling is the new sick play in poker (seriously), if Vayo has a pulse he should at least recognize the delay bluff spot he was afforded on the flop.

It's live poker in its biggest arena, spazzes are imminent.

The absolute value of a set 3-handed 70 bb effective is ridic.

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As much as I was put off by the nervous energy/aggressive staring of bax, I see zero wrong with his play in that hand (or any of the other ones I saw, which admittedly isn't many).

Can't believe WCG wants a fold there too .

If it was a cash game with less than100 BB I'd not be likely to fold bottom set in a 3 bet pot. But I think the equation may be different in a tournament setting where the pay jumps are pretty significant and you can't rebuy if out flopped.

If we are going to have any meaningful discussion on the topic we can't discuss the hand in a vacuum. You guys need to either take my (and wcg's) word for it, or go and watch the entire final table up until that point. The situation is all about metagame/gameflow and the style played by Vayo. It isn't about a 70BB cash game. It was about the mf main event of the WSOP where there is a massive pay jump and the kid was trying super hard to crawl the whole way into the top few spots. He basically showed no gamble/heart and wasn't going to betray the strategy that got him to that point.

If he has KQ, he check calls the turn and probably check folds to a river jam. Since he called twice pre, called twice post, it is going to take a heroic amount of heart from Bax to shove the river with whatever worse hand he has that got there. Vayo's range here will be almost always, KQ, 22, 33 by the time we get to the river so if Bax wants to bluff jam this river it's going to be a pretty serious problem. I hear what you are saying about the coldcall then bluff being a sicko play but KQ is just the wrong hand for it. Maybe a hand like A3s would be better? It is just that this isn't a cash game where you can flat then make a big move on the turn and just rebuy if you are wrong and bump into a set. You are almost certainly in a once in a lifetime spot and it just isn't realistic to think a guy playing Vayo's brand of poker was suddenly ready to throw that kid of curveball.

I know this is just anecdotal **** but I was super tired, laying in bed watching this on tape and was about to turn off the TV when I saw this go down and I was yelling at the TV "FOLD!!!!!!!!!!"

I really wanted him to be able to be good. I was dying to see a guy make the final table who was actually good. Then he was tanking and I was so sad since I knew he was going to make the Negreanu call. ie. call and then walk over to your rail and say "I knew he had that. We need a deuce!!" Yep, then next time save your 50M chips.

Qui was fun as f*** to watch and despite having huge leaks every which way (the 2 T9ss PF btn folds were next level), he somehow still might have been the best player in the final 3 in that very specific format of main event final 3. Obviously I'm incredibly biased because I love guys w/ heart and have trouble respecting the manhood of a poker player who lacks it.

With that said, Vayo was incredibly classy at the final table throughout despite his crying about Kassouf in earlier episodes (yes I think Kassouf is an idiot). Bax esp in earlier episodes rubbed me the wrong way. He played okay. Wife is hot af, he wins life. It's still very close, but I woulda folded the 22 as well for a bunch of reasons already mentioned, namely Vayo being a little b****.

Did I mention I love Qui or? Knowing so few pros who will even bluff off 100bb in cash games, how can you not love a guy bluffing for literally millions over and over and over.

If we are talking just looks I'm with you, but despite Bax's age his attitude lines up way more with douchey hoody wearing tool bag pros than it does with a jovial working man looking to gamble imo. May just be me, kind of seemed smarmy/smug at times, and he is a known online tournament pro.

I didn't have a problem with Vayo. He played pretty poorly/passively I thought but he seemed like a nice/polite guy at the final table.

Great, I just had a seizure from loling and I'm posting this from the hospital.

Fair- I didn't watch the whole thing/I don't really know the players.

Unfair- a 26 y/o pro who has been coached for months I assume (coach: hey Vayo, you know everyone thinks you are nit, we are going to open up the playbook in November and they won't know what hit 'em) isn't capable of having moments of creativity/spew/whatever on the biggest stage in live poker in 2016.

Fair- I don't know **** about tournaments nor do I understand the ICM or whatever of going from 3rd to 2nd or whatever.

Unfair- all the stuff that makes tournaments nittier than cash should actually make good players less nitty in them- DUCY?

...I wasn't saying KQ was the hand to flat-and-go with. I can think of a lot of hands I would consider doing it with tho. Having said that, I wouldn't want to just flat with KQ on the turn with that texture either (and not much behind) when I ONLY lose to a set.

So interesting to me that so many good players (Negreneu, Esfandiari, surf doc, gman, wcg, jrr63, etc) want to fold a set in a 3b pot 70 bb effective THREE HANDED. Either you all are trolling me or I suck at poker/folding.

Yeah, I was going with the casual viewer/fan (like me) just looking at the winner and not really knowing much about him/her.

Agreed, a lot of what I saw from bax/team bax made me cringe. That's why I had to post about the coverage in the first place lol. I hate to be a hater tho and really want to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe the big stage made for the nervous energy/douchy behavior.

Vayo seemed like a good guy I would like irl, but plz no more WASPy young pros...

I guess it's really good tho that the winner wasn't a nit/was far from a nit. Maybe the cash games will be influenced by this from the bottom up and they won't be such snoozefests for a while.

I think it is hard to understand when your dynamic would almost always be so different. Some of us have a decent amount of experience in a reasonable on reasonable guy dynamic whereas you are always spraying chips/super wide. So, getting a hand like a set and having someone raise you would lead to so much joy and excitement that you wouldn't need to consider getting away from it. People respond to your play by fighting back and expanding their value and bluffing range. So for you it would rarely be correct to fold but in this dynamic, with this player, and the action from Vayo being Pre: call, call Flop: call Turn: XRAI .... it seems pretty straightforward.

In fact, reading this ^^ back, I think it would even be correct for you/Gman to find a hero fold.

The other day someone opened to 120 and 4 of us saw the flop. I was on the button with 77. I had already gotten overset twice that session ... Flop came A75r and they checked to me. I bet 300, there were two folds and villain made it 800. I called. Turn Q badugi and he led 1k. I made it 2k . He called. River was a 6 for A75Qr6. He checked and I shipped ~6k effective. He found a call with 54ss.

'Cool story bro' obv, but I'm never folding a set 3-handed for 70 bbs in a 3b pot unless the icm is insane or whatever, in which case I'm folding pre. Live poker is just too spew inducing due to its pace, social anxiety, people getting tilted by the aggro guy, and so on. And in 2016 there are just so few pros who only have the nit gear ime.

I was shocked when I heard the hu match took 8 hours or whatever. People don't bluff enough in that thing/they fold way too much imo.

Can we all agree though that the first sentence of this article is the best description of a main event champion in recent history?

over/under on how many years until the casinos have all the money from baccarat?

I guess I can now officially say I have done all there is to do in poker. Tommy A would be proud. As for me, well, not so much.

P1(UTG) $400
P2(MP) $410
P3(LP) $535.10
P5(CO) $715
Me(BTN) $779.30
P8(SB) $565.20
P9(BB) $400


Pre Flop: Me(BTN) with [Kc,Ac]
P1(UTG) folds, P2(MP) folds, P3(LP) folds, P5(CO) folds, Me(BTN) raises 10, P8(SB) folds, P9(BB) calls 6


Flop: (Tc,Jh,Jc) (2 players)
P9(BB) checks, Me(BTN) bets 11, P9(BB) calls 11


Turn: 8c (2 players)
P9(BB) checks, Me(BTN) bets 30, P9(BB) raises 78.77, Me(BTN) calls 48.77


River: Qc (2 players)
P9(BB) checks, Me(BTN) checks


Final:
P9(BB) shows [Jd,8d]
Me(BTN) shows [Kc,Ac]
Me(BTN) wins 198.54

How many tables were you playing? I did that once (at least that I know of) in a 5-10 Stars game, playing 4 or 5 tables and just did not notice I'd hit the stones on the river. One of my old live poker buddies was on the same table, and I thought I'd never hear the end of it.

Last night-

LIVE Hu 25-50

Villain is an online hu specialist (obv). He has 10k and hero covers. We have history...

Pre- Hero opens button to 100 with 98o, villain raises to 300, hero calls.

Flop- K65r, villain check/calls 300.

Turn- K659r, check/check.

River- K6597, villain bets 300, hero raises to 2k, hero snap calls with T8.

Probably about 10 at the time. I recall seeing the 9c made a straight flush and thinking now I can't beat any boat which I was pretty sure he had or the 9cX. I was thinking my hand probably looked like the AcX so he was check folding or check jamming but I failed to even see the other straight flush. Typical that he actually has a hand that will likely get all in so my error was for the max. At least he didn't jam and I snap fold haha that would have been worse.

That must have been a sad moment for both of you. You that you didn't get half and him that he didn't get more.

That sadness then was probably replaced pretty quickly by relief that you didn't have to face the 6k river 3b.

I have misread my hand a few times lately. I'm talking weird misreads like seeing a flop of K72 when really it's J72. Like an actual misfiring of the synapses in my brain.

Not playing tired or hungry or anything. Just my brain telling me a certain card is out and really it's another card. Lol

Has this ever happened to anybody?

Also one tabling like a boss

Sadly yes this has happened

It's usually after I fire off a big value bet errr bluff I guess

I just table fast and make it seem like the nuts and then make a joke about thinking I had the best hand

I would also do the same if I bluffed (knowingly) and got called too


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Too late to join the online poker grind, what about live poker?

There is still money in both but you had better be very good at a lot of things including game selection and creation/preservation if you are going to get any of the monies.

standard flop check call, I mean has anyone ever not rivered the nut straight with T8 on K65r vs you