Ahh, the old who do you want taking the last shot metric . I was thinking more along the lines of who does the most things well to help a basketball team succeed the most. I mean yeah, no doubt Jordan was the best scorer/stone cold killer of all time...



Imo.

(Steph's lack of durability will eventually take him out of the convo I think/do you remember how good D Rose was when he won MVP omg)

i dont think i can give lebron the better defense over mj.

and although i agree lebron tries to get more of his teammates involved, i believe this is also kind of his weakness at times. (i.e. kobe and lebron at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to selfishness. somewhere in the middle is prob best.)

also, curry might be a bit fragile looking but i dont think the d rose comparison is fair. rose is more of a slash and cut, take it to the hoop hard kind of player that is gonna put alot of pressure and wear on his body banging into big men. curry is more finesse type(excellent dribbler) player with a super quick shot.(doesn't have much hops) he avoids contact as much as possible.

of course his body type(durability) can be more prone to injuries but i dont think it comes close to the potential dangers to d rose's style of ball.

off topic but AI was another high flying, throw your body around type of player with small frame but surprisingly never suffered major injuries. maybe its all variance.

It is 100 percent variance. The ACL tears are purely bad luck (I have had 3 of them) and it really isn't something that being fit or muscular can prevent. MJ played the same style as Rose and just ran good wrt to injuries. Also, I am not really willing to concede that MJ was inferior wrt basketball IQ or getting other players involved. He was just much better at being able to create his own shot. But, he still kicked it to Paxon/Kerr plenty and they had careers standing on the 3 point line.

I think it is pretty easy to forget how dominant Michael was. There are guys who can check Lebron and hold him to some extent. Nobody could play MJ without getting 40+ dropped on em.

Lebron > MJ on D imho because he can cover all 5 spots. That's huge and people will say "yeah, that's cuz he's bigger." Well yeah, size/strength/athleticism is a big part the overall argument that he is GOAT...

Agreed Curry and D Rose way different styles. Just saying if D Rose maintained his peak he might have been GOAT. It's really hard to have longevity at the top of your game/the league (and not just because of injuries). Lebron and MJ have already achieved it though. Curry has missed considerable time in his career already (even missed a few weeks this playoffs) and his run at the top is only ~2 years old...

I love Curry and his game, and it seems like he's plays at new levels sometimes, but GSW is deep af and amazing all around and their coaching is good- and still he is very lucky Klay went bananas in OKC or the narrative would be a lot different right now (Westbrook was destroying him for a while that series). Maybe he got lucky last year too in that he was facing Lebron, TT and a bunch of guys who legit wouldn't make the rotation on his team. Run good snow balls sometimes...

AI was a warrior with more charisma than everyone we've mentioned. He was not on the same level with these guys as a basketball player, but beloved for good reason. Prob a pretty big fluke he was so durable given how many times he hit the floor- or maybe it was genetics or something, idk.

Imvho.

I don't know who's better, but I can't think of a better combination of athleticism, basketball IQ, and mental toughness than Lebron. He didn't have 2 years under Dean Smith. Dude came into the league with sooo much hype and just put those crappy Cavs teams on his back. It should have been pretty easy for him to have a Rick Ankiel meltdown early on. Just amazing how good Labron was/is without the hall of fame minds Jordan had. Think Cle wins as long as Love doesn't diarrhea all over himself.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using 2+2 Forums

Jordan vs Lebron career (they've played almost the same amount of games):
30.1 vs 27.2 ppg
.497 vs .498 fg %
.327 vs .340 3p fg %
.835 vs .744 ft %
6.2 vs 7.2 rebounds/game
5.3 vs 6.9 assists/game
.8 vs .8 blk/game
2.3 vs 1.7 steals/game
2.7 vs 3.4 turnovers/game

I feel like they dominate similarly and people go right to the ring thing which is problematic:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...isappointment/

I mean swap Lebron for Curry or Jordan (or Kobe) and does anyone think those teams don't win those years?

I realize Craig Ehlo and Jeff Hornacek were much better defenders than Kawhi Leonard and Andre Iguodala, but still :roll eyes:.

Yeah I mean you make good points and the side by side numeric comparison is amazingly close. I am not really one to worry much about rings. LOL at the Ehlo/Hornacek comment. I mean clearly there were other guys in the league who could play defense.

Sorry you bet Cavs. Obviously just one game but we learned a little something. If your game plan is to hold, double, overswitch, chase, deny, and otherwise do everything you can to prevent Steph from getting open looks, you are going to have a very tough time defending the backdoor cuts/midrange jumpers/etc. You also need to be prepared to accept everyone else besides Steph and Clay getting open looks pretty much all day. I still want to go see a game, that would be epic.

Had a fun time at taking my kid to Macklemore concert in LA. The venue was small and very cool. You just line up and go. When we got inside I had to take a piss and we ended up about 14 rows deep (still awesome) but we could have been much closer. Then this pack of drunk guys in front of us kept bumping into me. They were polite and apologized but then kept doing it. I told him"no worries" like 10 times since wtf would one expect at a standing room only rap concert. Then he started talking to me and my kid. I told him I feel like I've know him for my whole life since we are "so close." They all laughed and were like "damn you are the coolest dad ever to drive your kid up from SD. We are going to hook you up." They tell us we are going to the front and I am like "nah bro it's cool, I don't want to be that guy." I thought they were going to basically run a big block and let us trail behind. Didn't need my 13 year old daughter seeing her dad get sucker punched. But drunk dude was like, "nah man, I got you." So he whispers to his friend in front of him, and then in front, and again. The next thing the crowd literally parts like the red sea. I am like **** yeah I always knew I was Moses. We keep getting closer and they are all cheering. My kid is giggling and they start chanting her name and then sing her happy birthday (since they apparently told everyone in front of them that and that is why they moved, lol) So we end up very close to the stage and just laughing our asses off. I told the kid I was glad I got to be there for her first experience in a bar environment where drunk dudes were actually nice instead of dicks. Turns out it is pretty tough to find ANYTHING you can do with teenage girls. So, pretty amazing to be this close and see a great show together.

LOL pretty sure I am in this photo. If you see me, no need to point me out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGH9VrLR8Lp/?hl=en

I might be the biggest mush ever.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ho...history-books/

I was never good at Where's Waldo, and apparently I'm not good at Where's surfdoc either...

I can't do Macklemore personally, but if my kid wanted to I would for sure. Either way, good job man. The world needs good dads... I took my kids to the beach today and it was cold af and we were the only ones playing at the shore but it was pretty great aside from that.

not big on macklemore either but that looks like a sick show

dgaf you had padres?? what's your next play?

big day today could've been bigger
had a prop degen bet warriors win by 7-9 at +600
cavs were down 11 with 2 minutes then lebron turns it over in transition leading to a curry 3 and then a klay 3 their next possession sigh

meh. im not convinced on the "cover all spots" argument. by that notion, only a couple positions can ever be considered for GOAT. point guard and center wouldn't qualify.(magic being the anomaly. played center rookie year in playoffs i believe.)

Also, i can't recall lebron ever really shutting down other allstars on a consistent basis. MJ on the other hand, got a hard on for defense as much as scoring. He got away with murder at times but salivated at the opportunity to guard the opposing team's star.

i agree lebron is a beast of a physical specimen. and athletic. just has an ugly shot also agree on vision, unselfishness(on the court at least wrt taking the shot) and basketball IQ.

i just question his leadership skills though. he acts like a drama queen at times. his use of social media or direct media to put his teammates on blast, as an attempt at motivation, is short sighted. idk, it seems like after a game gsw would enjoy a night out together as a team but lebron would much rather fly down to south beach and party with dwade.

perhaps none of that stuff matters from a GOAT perspective and we should only analyze the stats. but i believe the intangibles somehow have their place.

all i can say if he doesn't win this year with everyone being healthy, him kicking out his coach half way through the season while on top of the eastern conference, doing more drama queen stuff about where he might play next, ...

rings shouldnt matter in the discussion but they always find their way in the conversation. i still put lebron over kobe(easily). but just below mj wrt GOAT.

last but not least... yes to lol sample size on curry. but gotta love those half court shots while turnin your back on em, "in yo face!" just wow.

and wat about AI taking 76ers to the finals with a d-league team. thats heart! also if you haven't seen it yet, there's a showtime docu. on AI and the whole "practice" interview. It was taking way out of context. kinda unfortunate how his career ended. he couldn't embrace the mainstream. had to keep it hood!

Miami, you and DGAF need to "copper" those bets on Cleveland from what I've seen in the first two games. If you can find a place to lay it off that is But enjoy the finals game. Hopefully the Cavs make it a series.

Assuming you are not the guy on top of the pile with the tatto?

LOL, that is Macklemore.

Went through all stages of grief last night

I accept it


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Please be shutting the **** up zoltan

Nah, we got this miami. Legendary comeback on the way!

It could happen. On another front, whenever you need a good TV series to take your mind off of it, check out the remake of "Cosmos" on Netflix, featuring Neil DeGrasse reprising the role of Carl Sagan, but with a lot of new material and much better graphics. Very good stuff for kids as well - unless you are trying to bring them up in some sort of fundamentalist religion that is

Hopefully

I'm heading to game 4, would be nice to win game 3 and make 4 a meaningful one


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Please be shutting the **** up zoltan

Done.

thx for the rec

I'm 1.5 episodes into Bloodline season 2 and I'm really appreciating the meltdowns. Off to a much more promising start than season 1 (which after some patience I did enjoy) imo.

Whew

Tip to NBA betting (at least in the big playoff match up and the finals): figure out what game result will lead to Adam Silver and CO the most possible money, and then bet accordingly.