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01-21-2020 , 06:15 PM
Villain definitely above average overall - I thought he was pretty tight from playing with him a few times, but he seemed to be playing much looser this session, even bluffing more and maybe even bluffing too much. So kind of a question mark.

I'm playing pretty tight but opening a decent amount.

My stack 700, villains like 2800 (it's 1K buyin and I wasn't there when he got his chips)

I open to 20 with 45 in HJ, CO (Villain) calls, button calls, BB calls.

Flop(80) 679

Check, I bet 40, villain calls, fold, fold.

Turn(160) 10 I didn't want to get bluffed off draw, and figured he might only bet 1/2 pot or so, so I check, villain bets 150

Hero...
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01-21-2020 , 07:01 PM
I think it’s a pretty easy fold at this point. Not much else to I suppose.
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01-21-2020 , 08:08 PM
Bet way more on the flop. Way more. Like overbet the pot

Ap ott is probably a fold
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01-21-2020 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Bet way more on the flop. Way more. Like overbet the pot
This is exactly what I was thinking. I just can't articulate why.

If we're overbetting this hand, what other hands are over betting? Does this count as a value hand or a bluff?
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01-21-2020 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LowStakes
This is exactly what I was thinking. I just can't articulate why.



If we're overbetting this hand, what other hands are over betting? Does this count as a value hand or a bluff?


Probably only made straights and the other SFD will be the other overbets. It’s exploitative. It doesn’t need to be balanced.

We have 5 high, I’m thrilled taking it down now. I’m indifferent if he calls like 110 into a pot of 80+110 because he’s not getting a great price.

The main thing we don’t want to call is flush draws because then we’re drawing pretty thin.

It’s a bluff. We have 5 high. But just because it’s a bluff doesn’t mean we can’t be ahead equity wise.
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01-21-2020 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
It’s exploitative. It doesn’t need to be balanced.

Maybe. But our other lines should be balanced.

Just thinking out loud here.....

Opening from the HJ we have lots of middling suited stuff in our range, alot more so than V's. So it feels like our normal size c-bets are going to be heavy with overcard bluffs and medium strength semi-bluffs. I'd be very concerned about balancing that, so I'd want to have my made straights and probably most sets there.

That ought to be enough, so we don't need the 2 pair combos, we can overbet those as well as the remaining sets to balance out the SFD bluffs.
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01-21-2020 , 10:39 PM
Prefer a slightly larger flop bet. Villain has more 8x than we do and he knows it and knows that we know it. So he could easily be floating us.

Your check looks weak. I’m at least potting this turn. So Villain decides to take the lead targeting your unpaired overcards. He’d play his JTs, T9s, 98s and A8s this way. He’d also play his nfds this way too and some of his bluffs.

Hero gets 2-1 and we’re probably getting the right price to see the river against his range even though non-diamond 8 may be dirty outs. It’s a gross spot but betting turn would have made it easier. Now Hero has to decide whether this V is capable of floating then leading turn and I guess his perception of our opening range is a key part of our decision.
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