54s is pretty standard open utg for me. This deep im cr every fdraw and 54 most of the time and sometimes my 1 pair hands as semibluffs.

I think vills sizing is pretty weird/bad on all streets.
Id probably bet almost any amount that he is either not a pro or not able to afford this game within a year.

This thread makes my brain hurt.

That's why I posted it

I don't think it's the hand that's hurting his brain

As for the hand, going bigger pre is better just cuz ppl in these games fold 2 3b % is like non existant, so you can exploit this leak by sizing huge and lol vs their inelastic ranges when they peel ******ed stuff and burn $
But I don't think it's that big a deal ip- where you typically wanna take a smaller sizing with a more linear range anyway
Aa in particular is interested in sizing up pf and your villains won't notice anything they'll just call regardless so going like 150~ is better

Rest of the hand seems fine and I'd Fold riv
Your flop sizing may be a little big but it's certainly fine

He'd have to be rly spewing hard for You to wanna call otr

Also doing anything but calling ott is prty bad for lots
Of reasons -

Ray if David or Mason reads this thread they are gonna bend you over a knee and spank you.

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thats some sick trolling from bucky....i like it nh sir

Do we flat most AcXc-combos preflop? If yes, which better hands except for KK do we have in our range to call the riverjam? assuming that Villain has absolutely no Kx, isn't AcAx a better call than smaller flushes?

I don't think we should attempt to play 'GTO' here. Most villains are just going to have a super strong range on this runout.

Agree AcAx will be a better bluffcatcher than small flushes. If we don't have the sets in our range, it could be we are too far up in our range to fold, if we are just trying to keep him indifferent to bluffing and can't make an exploitive read. I dunno what his preflop range or his flop betting range looks like so tough to say. But I do think this is gonna be a spot where villain just won't have nearly enough bluffs on a club river that we should be able to safely fold our bluffcatchers.

think that you want to 3b the a2-a5s combos with somewhat frequently

we have 3 nutflushes in standard btn 3b range. the board blocks a couple AcXc combos that we may bluff with. since it's hard for us to have nuts and he has few nutflushes himself (like I doubt he opens A4s-ATs ep then flats a 3b...he may just have AQs) certainly a smaller flush is a better hand to call with than AcAx.

this is good stuff. would like to add a few things...two wheel cards on flop tho so having As blocker reduces the pair+gutter combos he can have and shrinks his bluffing range. also he probably c-r more flushdraws on the lower FD board (like obv he can't ch-r KQs on KQssx but he probably doesn't with T9s either as that board hits your range more and you have lots of NFD when u call or something goooood so it's hard for him to keep firing). on the lower FD boards he can be attacking your range more easily.

so, he will c-r T9s cause he can have more value hands against the 3bettor on the lower blocker board (9 combos sets on this board, on the 652s he'll have 2pr combos, along with like, maybe 5-6 FDs) and you can't have sets.

he's also bombing a card on turn you will hit you a ton. his river shove is pretty sexy tho lol since you can't have a flush and may just have one combo that can call against what he's trying to rep.

anyone who says villain wouldn't shove river with a flush is insane and missing tons of value in their own games.

I actually think villain's play is really good, maybe not from live/exploitive perspective (like, this may be a losing strategy at 2/5) but theory wise he should have a bluffing range and this is the nut runout for it.

as played: 3b way bigger pre, 3betting flop to like 1300 is fine then shoving like all turns is fine too, i'd prob just flat the c-r. I think I just fold the turn as played. river is fold for sure you have to know this guy real well to call.

So after some deliberation I've decided to post a quick reply. I was the villain in this hand. As things would pan out, I sent this hand to a few friends after my session. The following morning I received a reply that was a photo of an email of the hand from OP's perspective from one of the guys I sent it to (apparently they work together). Small world. Then about a week and a half ago I was alerted about this thread from another friend I had sent the hand to. Talk about coming full circle.

I don't read 2+2 too much, I just lurk and use it as a resource for hand histories, staying caught up with happenings in the poker world, etc. I'm not a full-time pro but I've had a very successful 2015, moving up from 1/3 NL to 5/10 NL having first walking into a casino to play cards ~18 months ago.



Also I shoved river for $1350, not $1700 as OP stated.

Here are some pics for proof...

Well ok then. Thanks for coming in to confirm there was a villain and it was you. The rest seems like a simple brag and not sure why you bothered proving anything. Nice hand. I always say, "it works right up until it doesn't."

Did you want to add anything to the discussion? This is a strategy thread/forum after all.

Are you kidding me? He added one of the best gems of this entire thread. I really had a good time reading the text messages and "welcome to lagpro world" stuff.
"He did this a few times already so I call"
Lolol


Here is da proof, me is strong lagpro

even though i consider this one of the most impressive hands i've seen at 5/10 (seriously, i sent it to a few people to say it was a bad sign about the games and that i've never seen anything like it in my life) your post announcing you're the villain with the proof is pretty lol and kind of a silly brag. same thing with posting the graph. idgaf.

i actually did assume the villain was someone who usually played a lot higher than 5/10 after seeing results.

like you didn't really add anything to thread and you actually may cause the OP to stop posting hands here since he knows other people in his games read them lol.

This hand's not impressive at all....he's just spewing his brains out most of the time and happened to get the perfect river to jam. I don't think you should feel like you got terribly owned here or anything since I'm pretty sure you win this hand on 75%+ of rivers.

Wonder what happens if hero makes it 150 pre. If the hand plays out the same (2 callers, same % of pot on flop with a raise etc) I wonder if vill still jams river given more in pot less behind etc.