gotta switch that up shmitker, maybe i can coach you on how to run good at higher stakes. i've been running bad (imo) at 5/10 but doing well at 10/25. too bad 10/25 doesn't run more often

Would love to know where you're finding that.

trade?

this is true, thought i'd add another vouch for the statement.

most places they spread 5/10? The fish at 2/5 are mostly passive stations that buy in for 60bb. There are a lot more guys at 5/10 that will blast off 300bb with no hand.

That may be true, but that doesn't mean the 5/10 is softer. Weak/passive tourists lose money. Aggro pros win money. Who you want to play with should be obvious, and there are far more weak/passives at 2/5 and far more aggro pros at 5/10. Again, in Vegas.

Shmitker?

Not sure what AA's last name is but, pretty sure it starts with a B. 10/20 has been running a few days, and through the night (short handed) but, will end in Jan most likely. A number of the guys are moving to canada :-(.

Hopefully this will not happen. Ideally we could organize a game to go once a week at a certain time and date. This could be facilitated through mass texts or something if we got everyones phone number. I would not mind organizing this myself if it would help keep the game going. I already have like 5 or so numbers and know of another regular I can coordinate with who has like 15ish more(he was thinking same thing as me). Do you FW guys think this would be a good idea/would work to create a regular game?

yea i know, shmitker is just a nickname. sucks, but you're probably right about the games not going as often in the near future

aggro =/ good. I mean, i agree that 5/10 is tougher but not by a huge margin.

No ****.

I will hopefully only be around till early January, but will definitely get in on some Foxwoods 10/20 action in the mean time.

We used to have a regular game, every Fri night. Mixed, 10/20nl and 2/5PLO. You cannot do 5/10 PLO or bigger because you eventually bust out the action. On Fri we would have a full game and a list when it was regular (about 2yrs ago.) Fran; JTL; Hwang; taxi cab Rob; Dan the lawyer; etc.

It's a sustainable game if it can be done. Last night 5-6 guys were playing 10/20 PLO but, when i looked on the table the effective stacks were about 2k. I asked of it was 2/5 and I would have sat but, they said it was 10/20. It is not a sustainable game in that casino on an average night.

Someone has to get everyones number on a group text, and tell them it will run on Fri nights. I mean guys like Armen; Paul; Todd; Hwang; JTL; DTL; Fran; taxi cab Rob; Alex; Adam; Teddy; the other Teddy etc etc.

Crap even the 75/150 OE game broke a couple of times because the guys joined our game, and those guys cannot play NL.

Just a thought.

wish I had ThatsWhatIDo's 2/5 stats for my 5/10 game!

Here's the 14k session. Keep it up Mish!

Impressive. FW reg?
This had to be years ago during poker boom.

During the poker boom, he was a high stakes reg on Full Tilt.

I'm confused as to why you wouldn't move up unless you're winrate is somehow better at 2/5? If I'm making 86 at 2/5 or 150 at 5/10 I'm moving on up if games are available. Good job though. I'm jealous.

All of these numbers are attainable, none of them are attainable running even.

What happened around the 60 session mark? Seems like you were break even till then, and took off from there.

These numbers aren't possible long term w/o very favorable conditions. These conditions are also very unlikely to last long term so its near impossible someone will maintain a winrate like this over 3-4k hours and gets closer to impossible the more hours they play after that.

Basically they are on huge heaters right now.

After thinking about it a bit more I think 6k+ hours might be needed to determine a close estimation of one true winrate

This thread is a decent look at some of the variance in poker.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...ulator-674065/

Heres another good link I just found about winrates.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/pokerarti...variance_guide

Between -500 to +500 an hour; mostly driven by variance. By the time you have found your true live win rate, the game and players have changed so much that your findings are meaningless.

Not sure what happened, started playing better, or running better, or both

How many 5/10 pros are there in the US anyway? 500? 1000?

I suspect that the top 1% of 5/10 players represents a number less than 10