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| Medium-High Stakes Full Ring Discussion of $400+ pot-limit and no-limit and 5/10 live texas hold'em full ring games, situations and strategies |
01-28-2012, 10:07 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Huntington Hills
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Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
I have 1500. Villain in this hand has me way covered and seems to be opening and barreling a ton of hands. I've been at the table for 30 minutes and he's probably opened or 3-bet around 30% of the hands dealt. He has won most of them, but he has also shut it down early on a few boards. I have yet to see any of his hands, and I haven't played a hand yet so he knows nothing about me. We are 7-handed...
Villain opens for 35 in the hijack, co calls, button and SB fold, and it's on me. What specific hands are you guys 3-betting here, and why? Co has been pretty loose passive so far and seems to know villain pretty well fwiw. Villain is a 30ish looking white dude, drinking green tea and talking a decent amount (in the hands he's playing and otherwise) to pretty much everyone at the table if that helps.
(more questions to come)
Thanks
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01-28-2012, 10:14 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 187
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
TT+, AQ+, random suited crap (Q2s, K5s, occasional 98os), calling all medium strength multiway hands like JTs, 78s, low suited aces etc
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01-28-2012, 11:52 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,401
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
$150 with JJ+, AQ+ and Axs, 22-55. That's a balanced range that has a good value component and a good semibluff component. I don't think you should get too exploitative by increasing the bluffs too much as if he is tough he is going to call a lot IP and given that you don't know his postflop tendencies well you dont want to be OOP in a big pot with a weak range.
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01-28-2012, 12:04 PM
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 837
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
Anything I decide to play. Villian is going to play very tight to a three bet from you because he will be trapped in the middle and he probably doesn't expect to get three bet light. And I don't mind playing big pots, even oop, against a loose passive opponent.
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01-28-2012, 12:17 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 309
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
I prob don't 3bet with all that much junk OOP, but I do mix in KQo, QJo, KJo, maybe even ATo along with obv value hands.
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01-28-2012, 12:18 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo
Anything I decide to play. Villian is going to play very tight to a three bet from you because he will be trapped in the middle and he probably doesn't expect to get three bet light. And I don't mind playing big pots, even oop, against a loose passive opponent.
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I think that's fine for a one time squeeze with a tight image, but after that breaks down against a decent player.
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01-28-2012, 02:47 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 228
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
Bluff 3-betting works best with Tx and Jx type hands, because with these you can still flop top pair and the risk of being dominated by his 3-bet calling range is lessened. When you are OOP remember to 3-bet bigger with your entire range to make it more costly for villain to get to play his position on you.
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01-28-2012, 06:51 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 76
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
1010+ AQs+. Some random FU bluffs
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01-28-2012, 07:12 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 457
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
Playing with a guy for 30 minutes is not even close to enough of a sample size to construct a 3 betting range.
That's the equivalent of playing with him online for 10 minutes. Which is about 30 hands give or take.
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01-28-2012, 07:23 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Huntington Hills
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
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Originally Posted by WorldBoFree
Playing with a guy for 30 minutes is not even close to enough of a sample size to construct a 3 betting range.
That's the equivalent of playing with him online for 10 minutes. Which is about 30 hands give or take.
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Agreed it's a tiny sample, but it's all that's available. We still have to construct ranges to play the hands dealt to us until we get more info, right?
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01-28-2012, 07:42 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
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Originally Posted by mike dexter
Agreed it's a tiny sample, but it's all that's available. We still have to construct ranges to play the hands dealt to us until we get more info, right?
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Sure, I would have a standard 3 betting range, on the tight side, because I give credit usually until I've seen otherwise.
It isn't a bad spot to squeeze light, because you should get a lot of credit for your first 3 bet at the table.
Everyone has a different 3 betting frequency and comfort-ability so I'm not sure what you're looking for here exactly. Without knowing how often someone calls 3 bets in position, or how they play post flop, it's really hard to have a specific range of hands.
Last edited by WorldBoFree; 01-28-2012 at 07:51 PM.
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01-28-2012, 07:54 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Huntington Hills
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
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Originally Posted by bdsinc
1010+ AQs+. Some random FU bluffs
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This seems like the consensus, and pretty standard...
I took a few seconds and made it 150. He stopped talking, looked at my stack, thought for a few seconds and made it 400.
Given the limited information I have, what portion of the above range am I continuing with? The pot will be 835 if I call, with 1100 effective behind. Villain has been very active as mentioned, but all in small pots. Ime, 4-bets in live poker are usually very strong, but idk what this guy is capable of. Also, am I always 5-betting, or do I have a flatting range here? If I do have a flatting range, what is my general post-flop plan with each hand?
Thanks.
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01-28-2012, 08:05 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Huntington Hills
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
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Originally Posted by WorldBoFree
Sure, I would have a standard 3 betting range, on the tight side, because I give credit usually until I've seen otherwise.
It isn't a bad spot to squeeze light, because you should get a lot of credit for your first 3 bet at the table.
Everyone has a different 3 betting frequency and comfort-ability so I'm not sure what you're looking for here exactly. Without knowing how often someone calls 3 bets in position, or how they play post flop, it's really hard to have a specific range of hands.
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I'm looking for a) what hands we should be 3-betting, b) what hands we should be continuing with after villain makes it 400, and c) how we should proceed with those hands.
I agree with you it's very hard given the limited info, but I think it's also a fairly common spot. I kind of like your polarized 3-betting range, but the consensus seems otherwise.
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01-28-2012, 11:04 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: smallest douche
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
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Originally Posted by mike dexter
This seems like the consensus, and pretty standard...
I took a few seconds and made it 150. He stopped talking, looked at my stack, thought for a few seconds and made it 400.
Given the limited information I have, what portion of the above range am I continuing with? The pot will be 835 if I call, with 1100 effective behind. Villain has been very active as mentioned, but all in small pots. Ime, 4-bets in live poker are usually very strong, but idk what this guy is capable of. Also, am I always 5-betting, or do I have a flatting range here? If I do have a flatting range, what is my general post-flop plan with each hand?
Thanks.
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live with your image i prob fold everything but AA and KK and flat them both planning to crai all flops.
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01-29-2012, 01:17 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 406
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Re: Live 5-10, what's my 3-bet range from the bb?
In this specific spot, I probably raise to $175 with any two suited cards. I also raise to $175 with AJ+, KQ, 22, and JJ+. I call with any other pocket pair, and fold everything else.
As played, after the 4-bet, I probably shove [AK AA KK QQ] and fold everything else.
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