your hand is super similar to another thread that's going on

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...d-man-1514596/

Yeah, I can see your point. I skimmed the hand and the thread and never saw the tank on the flop or the fact that he had QQ when I posted. I could get on board with a turn raise based on the timing thing but I still think a river raise would be bad. It is less bad playing out of your image but tbh if he has a straight I absolutely love his river sizing. I will defer to your live experience as far as his turn, river sizing discrepancy but online or vs a sophisticated opponent I can't read this river sizing as clearly blocking and raise for value since they fold worse and jam better.

I just went to text you about the surf question as I doubt the thread derail would be appreciated but I can't find your cell. Text me and we can discuss it.

The better the player the more I think raising river is horrible. If he is bad/straightforward I think a raise is great especially if you think you have a fOs image

I honestly didn't see the results when I posted. Can't believe I got one right! And yeah, you know live players are terrible in general. Part of that terribleness is doing a zillion different things throughout a hand to tell you exactly what they have/don't have...

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Thanks for the response dgaf.

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Tanking in a BU vs BB pot can't possibly be a gutshot. Trying to get it in on the turn every time here and expecting 77.

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Definitely bet the flop larger. You aren't particularly likely to induce much looser action with a half pot bet and since your hand is the super nuts you probably ought to get started on building a decent size pot to win with it.

There's a reasonable argument to 3-bet the turn if he were actually repping some sets, but I think even this guy is pretty likely to 3-bet QQ/JJ pre, and I'm not sure a tight player is c/ring a broadway turn with AJ very frequently. I expect he will show up with KT here pretty often and possibly AQ/77. The unblocked nature of broadway straights makes your hand pretty medium strength here, and I would call with intention of raising board pairs and calling most other rivers. You might be able to find a fold on a K or T vs a huge bet, but you can probably call on a spade.

Reading down, as played on the river it looks like a clear call. Raising the river would be prety psychotic. Worse just isn't likely enough to call.

As for 3-betting the turn because of his flop tank, yeah I dunno this is just nowhere near my wheelhouse. Something seems slightly frightening about the idea of deviating so far from standard just because of someone's tell without knowing exactly what that tell even means. I mean for a tight player it doesn't seem that far-fetched that he would be in a legitimately head-scratching spot with a gutshot OOP facing a bet. *Shrug*

Ty for your response. All good points . I think that I agree and think the lime o took was fine, besides betting bigger on the flop.

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