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08-21-2014 , 11:02 AM
call pre, bet less on flop, call, as played call turn.

Villain should have given up after the clickback. But overall he played reasonable for a live player and his mistakes werent as big as yours.
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08-21-2014 , 02:30 PM
Interesting hand seems like one of those painful stackoff spots. I would have 3 bet a bit more pre smaller in relation to the pot on the flop and then called all the way down on this and pretty much any board runout. As played the turn is the easiest stackoff I've ever seen with 1 pair on the turn 3k deep. Flop play is super dependant for this hand but I don't understand folding or jamming.

Just out of curiosity what happens if he stuffs or makes a normal sized 4 bet on flop?
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08-21-2014 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
Interesting hand seems like one of those painful stackoff spots. I would have 3 bet a bit more pre smaller in relation to the pot on the flop and then called all the way down on this and pretty much any board runout. As played the turn is the easiest stackoff I've ever seen with 1 pair on the turn 3k deep. Flop play is super dependant for this hand but I don't understand folding or jamming.

Just out of curiosity what happens if he stuffs or makes a normal sized 4 bet on flop?
My assumption is that OP's 4-bet was to induce, and will therefore call it off. Since he called the turn, I think he planned on gii otf anyway.
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09-06-2014 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cook-
My assumption is that OP's 4-bet was to induce, and will therefore call it off. Since he called the turn, I think he planned on gii otf anyway.
+1 to this. I snapped on turn
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09-09-2014 , 04:16 AM
I was thinking there is no way V isn't clicking btns, and after reading results, its obvious he was smashing them! Its one of those hands that if I was watching it go down at the table, I would be thinking wtf do these guys have??

apparently you were able to induce with a raise, but flop call is best with no dynamic.

now i would just almost raise anytime I was ahead of his range and just allow him to spazz/smash/go bat **** crazy in a spot where you are absolutely never bluffing.

his flop call sort of blows my mind, but who knows what fantasy level he was playing on when there is zero dynamic.
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09-09-2014 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
I was thinking there is no way V isn't clicking btns, and after reading results, its obvious he was smashing them! Its one of those hands that if I was watching it go down at the table, I would be thinking wtf do these guys have??

apparently you were able to induce with a raise, but flop call is best with no dynamic.

now i would just almost raise anytime I was ahead of his range and just allow him to spazz/smash/go bat **** crazy in a spot where you are absolutely never bluffing.

his flop call sort of blows my mind, but who knows what fantasy level he was playing on when there is zero dynamic.
His flop call of the min 3bet is incredibly standard....he's getting like 7 to 1 immediate odds.....turn is an obv snap as played....you got what you wanted and if he had 22/33 he's checking to you every time or leading like 400. Flop seems too ambitious without history but can be very good vs certain players if you don't mind the variance.
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09-09-2014 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cbi
call pre, bet less on flop, call, as played call turn.

Villain should have given up after the clickback. But overall he played reasonable for a live player and his mistakes werent as big as yours.
is calling pre otb after a unknown mp open this deep okay?(seems like a viable option given any read of blinds)

villain should have given up oop after the huge cb by op, but as AAismyfriend said, the call of the flop 3b seems correctly priced in.

however I think it is extremely results oriented to think 3b flopping is +ev based on o.g. read of villain by op. "an unknown who plays higher just sat with max buyin and chipped up to 4k w/o showing down any hands." (it would have been a great line for villain with aa.)

and obviously he had the bdfd to make his turn move. op should have been aware of this or he basically went from having a read of an unknown who plays higher to donky pushing buttons all inside of one street.
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09-09-2014 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nih han
is calling pre otb after a unknown mp open this deep okay?(seems like a viable option given any read of blinds) .
Id be curious to see who says 3bet AK OTB vs Flat against described villian preflop
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02-20-2015 , 03:04 AM
BUMP.. had this hand came up in conversation with a few poker friends in LV and the topic was poker has changed from the original post date so results could be different these days... (1/16/13) figured id bump this and see if anyone has other thoughts about this hand today vs back in 2013...

thx in adv fellas
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02-20-2015 , 01:31 PM
Really dislike preflop and flop sizing. Definitely prefer larger pre and smaller OTF.
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02-20-2015 , 03:44 PM
I disliked this hand in 2013 and I still dislike it in 2015. Pre too small, flop too big, flop 3bet is pretty silly without some sort of ridiculous history/read.
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02-20-2015 , 05:35 PM
Not sure how going small pre is a mistake; he got a dominated hand to call oop in a 3b pot, isn't that what we want?

Flop bet was definitely unorthodox and I usually don't do it, but it seemed to have worked and must have looked bluffy to the villain, as he raised his gutter instead of flatting. If hero bets normal he may have just called and may not get stacked now.

3b the flop seems a little much though, as we can just keep his bluffs in if we just flat and shove over his turn barrel. Only problem might be that our hand looks stronger after we flat the c/r, where in if we click it back we can still be bluffing and our range may stay wider.

Seems hero went the higher variance route with his line and sizings, but why not? Can't always play how the villain would expect us to play.
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02-21-2015 , 09:23 PM
Games were soft in 2013
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02-22-2015 , 06:08 AM
Thread delivers
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08-11-2017 , 02:36 AM
Such a great hand
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08-15-2017 , 09:14 PM
Go away
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08-16-2017 , 01:22 PM
Villain obviously pegged you as way more aggro than you were. I hate his play vs a regular 1000NL live player to be honest. Yes, as others have said, make it bigger preflop. I think 3-5x his raise is fine considering you're pretty deep. Flop bet sizing is atrocious, sorry to say as it means you can't bluff often here because you're betting near pot. I would stick to calling the raise on flop. It allows good regs to continue bluffing. Theoretically, you could call a raise with any A high or QQ, JJ, etc. so I'd prefer calling but it worked out in that case so congrats on that! Try and lower flop sizing to keep in his worse hands and also induce way more bluffs.
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