You clicked it back or something close, he jammed with a gutter or worse and this is a bragpost.

It's calling 100 more, not 160 since Vilain loses his 60 if he folds.
So these 60 are already in the pot, it's dead money.

I would personally never fold 22 or 33 to 100 more on such a spot.

200-220 pre.

And obviously way less (percentage wise) on the flop.

I can't see any decent player bet that much on such a poor flop.


I think with the sizing you made, you're probably unbalanced on Vilain's eyes (but maybe it's your standard but i doubt it) and more polarized to strong hands than airballings, so that's not looking really good when he raises that flop but you can't fold on this street.

But as Bamboo said it (i think it's im) when he continues on the turn it's either a call or a crying fold, NOT A JAM AT ALL.


I think with a lower sizing and therefore a wider range, you could face a wider raising range from Vilain (with more bluffs obv) so with my image i would probably call at least twice but with your sizing that makes the hand easier to fold IMO.

Why isn't this just a fold? I know it's very weak and exploitable but who cares in live poker. The guy is minraising a nearly potted flop, out of position in a 3bet pot. I also have found these minraises OOP indicate huge strength. Also, is 34 suited or K4 suited out of his range? I doubt it.

Okay so I thought it was to call 160, I read this from my phone at first and must have missed it. But basically pre is too small IMO, I think you need to raise at least 140-160 more.

We have AK and flop is pretty good, I can't believe people are advocating folding on the flop. What other flops are we waiting for if this isn't good enough to call with at least? Although Villain is a pro, he has also been playing much bigger than 5-10, and because of this he is more likely to pay off Kx...

This isn't online poker where you wait for nuts just to push that small edge, this is lollivepoker where a lot of times your hand values go way up.

You found min-raises oop indicates huge strength? I really don't agree with this, but I could be wrong. Fishy players or even good players will often times suddenly make a weird bet size, I don't think this is a good indicator by itself of hand strength.

Does anyone else agree/disagree with massivetilt? I could be wrong but that's just what I see from my own experience.

I probably would not fold, because as someone said, hand values go up in live poker, but it is to be considered. Live players put preflop reraisors primarily on AK, so when he check raises the flop he's representing that he has a better hand than AK. Your logic of "what other flops are we waiting on" is weak; we don't anticipate having our bet check raised here. The more likely results are that he calls or folds.

Anyway I'd probably call and evaluate. He'll probably give up the turn with his bluffs and worse hands for value, or bet some timid callable amount, while he bombs the **** out of the turn when he has a AK+. The main problem is in the mammoth flop bet size and the small reraise preflop, which in effect have made it much more likely that he has a set and much less likely that he has air.

That's a good argument for flatting flop then evaluating turn... I can see him bombing the turn with AK+ and checking or betting some weak amount on the turn if he doesn't.

However, I am probably being a little result/op oriented because the way the first post was written it seemed like he was trying to induce a spazz out or a shove. My play was trying to induce a shove from someone he has beat.

It's pretty unlikely he has K3s or K4s given pre but it's possible. 34s is somewhat more likely. He for sure has every combo of 22 and 33. He could have AA as well. Total I would give him 9-10 combos of value hands.

The way you played the hand I think he will perceive you to have a lot of TT-QQ and AJ/AQ in your range. To him this looks like a great board to c/raise and get you to fold all those hands.

If you flat he will most likely give up on the turn if he doesn't pick up equity or improve since your hand looks exactly like what it is. He also won't think you're folding very often once you call the flop. Obviously he wilk bet a lot of the time if he has hands in his value range but folding is out of the question given how many bluffs I believe are in his range in this spot.

I think the best play is to make it something like 1000. He will expect you to flat with your exact hand here and badicslly all of your bluff catchers. 3betting makes your hand look like AQ/AJ that didn't want to call down.

So I'm snap calling if he jams. If he flats i'm checking any turn and letting him jam into me on the river if he went for some crazy out of position float to rep a set with like QJs or A4.

is 60 a standard open for him and/or for the table? i'll assume it is since no one said anything.

call >> jam >>> raise to 1000 > fold

i think he has fewer pure bluffs than medium value hands that he's confused with. you're probably not getting more value out of them, but if you are, it's going to be through jamming rather than raising small. raising small takes out basically all air out of your range.

anyway, call and reevaluate (probably folding about 1/3 of the time somewhere in the hand) is better because of your pf sizing. he probably has 3-6 combos ahead of you, 3-5 combos of AK, 10-15 combos behind you, and 2-4 combos of pure air, and we don't know anything about his spaz-jam-calling tendencies. if you'd made it 220 pf and had good reason to think he was rarely flatting AA preflop, i'd be more interested in getting it in.

In spots like this where villain's range is consisting of a higher percentage of bluff hands, instead of calling (or raising/shipping) with our entire value range it is generally more correct to fold out the bottom portion of our value range which will make the entire equation more +ev. Is AK on the bottom of our range here? No.

Can we go on to the next part of the hand already?!?! Don't be such a tease.

5/10 live at Vegas Casino, ~3K effective stacks

Villain is pretty new to the table, bought in for 3k(max), has won a few pots and chipped up to ~4k. He hasn't shown down any hands that I can recall, but has won from a decent amount of 3bets and some other pots where people folded after the flop to him. Although, I do not have much information on him, I do know that he plays 5/10 and 10/20 quite regularly and has played higher in recent months, but this is my first time playing with Villain.

Villain opens to 60 from MP, Hero makes it 160 with AKo from the BTN.

Villain calls, HU to flop

Flop K23 rainbow, (~335)

Villain checks, Hero bets 285, Villain makes it 585, Hero makes it 900, Villain flats

Turn 7s, (~2135)

Villain jams within ~5 seconds, Hero ???????

Is this a 7,2 game? No? Then call.

I bet u called because if this was a non-showdown hand you made me wait for I'll be mad bro. Lol...


Anyways I think I call here.

lol no.... Villain should never be jamming sets (22,33,77,KK) here right?

My thoughts exactly, esp not 77 his gin hand. K7 more likely although still highly unlikely a jam.

Wow I didn't expect that...

So turn brings a bdfd? Do you have the ace of that suit?

No I don't have the Ace

Also we could fit AA in with those hands that he shouldnt be jamming with right?

Thoughts on essential min-raise to 900 and Villain flatting?

I feel like with him pre flop callin your 3 bet then flatting your reraise on the flop, his intentions must of been to jam you later on the turn or river. His instant jam on the turn, I feel like people do that to seem strong and liked that card but most often then not the card was irrelevant so I couldnt imagine he had 77 and lucked out on the turn. AA, probably would of jamed on the flop after the reraise. Id call him down, expect KQ,QQ,JJ. Maybe he played 22,33 hoping he could just out play you on a dry board later in the hand

whether as bluff or for value. this is FPS by villain.

lol @ all of this "WAIT FOR IT" stuff.

I like the flop line if your image isn't nitty and you look like the creative type. After that, this is a turbo snap, fade whatever you need to fade imo.

Its funny people complain if you post the whole hand... IMO it makes it a lot more interesting like this... plus I like the ideas along the whole way without everyone knowing what happens.

Makes the responses more pure rather than bias knowing the results right?

seriously, you cant fold here

throw out pokerstove,


you cant fold here unless you come up with a magical read.