Do I need to stack him every time here?

All post flop could be different so which is best? PLO has softened my holdem. It has made me obsess with weight-watching balance and repping missed draws over pan-seared thick juicy value.

5/10 in Spain. Fishy game.

V and Hero are both recfish. V looks like a feminine Christopher Walken with a gentle smirk constantly trying to spread itself across his mouth. Basic ABC not spewy nor creative. Just lost 90bb with flopped set vs flopped understraight and seems winded. Get the impression he's a one bullet and done kind of guy.

H 40 yr old Dad of two and that's exactly what I look like. Just busted a tourney, not drinking yet. Just won a 3 way pot for 800ish with a passive line with AQ.

V EP (€1700) Raises to €30
2 calls
Hero (covers) BTN calls w 5c8c
BB calls

Flop (€155) 2s 6c 7c

V bets €100 I call all else fold.

Turn (€355) 9s

V bets (€200). I call.

River (€755) 5h

V bets €150. Hero raises to €450. V calls.




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Are you asking if you should raise flop with 8 high but great equity vs. villains range, or are you asking if you should raise turn with the effective nuts on a two tone board?

The answer is yes.

PLO shouldn't soften your Holdem game, it should improve it. Significantly.

If you are worried about "repping missed draws" then as played you should be raising the river a lot bigger. A big raise looks a lot spazzier/like missed clubs than practically a river min-raise does.

But I would be raising somewhere way before the river, most likely the flop. Assuming villain can raise good suited broadways/Ax suited hands and all pairs, you are flipping vs a range of over-pairs, sets, and bigger flush draws. Based on description though I doubt she is even the type to raise a lot of the weaker flush draws that are better than yours (and probably not even all of the small pairs either), so you are likely doing even better than flipping as I would think you are most likely up against an over pair. Add in the dead money in the pot and it is a slam dunk spot for you. A fold would be nice but even if she decides to go with the hand you are in great shape.

If you get to the turn as played though, villain isn't exactly shallow and based on previous hand and general description doesn't seem like the type to want to fold. You got the best possible turn card with a disguised hand vs. a weak player, put some money in the pot.

Hero turns the nuts.

Hero definitely left money on the table.

Flatting the flop is questionable. 85 has a great equity on this flop against a strong range and funnily enough it doesn't mind if villain folds weaker draws that he is barreling here since they actually have a lot of equity. Only if you can work your magic here IP knowing some specific leaks and mistakes I could see some arguments for flatting. Maybe tight c-bet range here and he's willing to pay you off if you hit due to earlier hands? I totally understand how Omaha would make you flat this flop IP.

Flatting the turn is bad. There's two flush draws, you have the second nuts, villain calls your raise wider than he should due to the earlier hand. He's most likely willing to pay you off here and a lot of river cards kill your action or even your hand. Raise to ~630 €.

How many nutted hands do you really have ott? Not many. While you have a lot of hands that picked up a lot of equity and can be turned into a semi-bluff.

If you're going for balance... it's blatantly obvious the turn is a great spot to stuff money in, esp when you aren't repping a whole lot of hands

"omg he must have turned 58cc or T8cc" -- you're nutted hand is well disguised. Raise.

Flatting and raising flop are both fine. Vs an ABC player I'd prefer raising, we can check back turn and decide what to do on rivers.

FYP

Thanks, that's what I meant to say until my cat fell on my keyboard.

I like raising turn

Fold pre raise flop bet jam

raise flop and raise turn given your read. if you thought he was bluffing most of the time then your line would make sense.

FYP

Thanks for replies. I've been suffering hold'em yip recently and this hand was a nadir of sorts. Posting a **** hand is very cathartic.

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I don't think because we have a big draw we should automatically raise it in position on the flop. Our hand is super disguised. I would never put someone on 85s if straight gets there on the turn. Just calling monster draws is actually pretty +EV cause even supposing you had 98s (for the slightly better 9hi), people will take it out of your range when you just flat the flop.

Turn has to be a raise surely. I think you should pot the river also as you have like no 8s in range as played.

BTW something PLO players tend to do when playing NLHE is overrate suited hands...pre is a fold.