Villain is a skilled pro who is "loose" and by loose I mean raises a ton from any position pre but plays well post. I play at this LA casino infrequently but have played with this guy in the past. He probably views me as a not so skilled player (and he may be right :/). I say this because I wonder if this affected the way he played his hand.

Anyway...I have J9o and he just sits down directly to my right and gets his first hand. I have $900 and the Villain covers. I am in the cutoff. It folds to him and he raises to 30. I call and BB calls.

The flop comes out J103cc. It check to me and I bet $40. BB folds. Villian calls. The turn is a 3. Villain checks. I bet $80. he check raises to $200. I call very quickly. River is an offsuit 7. He bets $600?

Hmm. Let's start with preflop. I think 3bet or fold is best.

3bet or fold pre.

As played check the flop. As played check the turn. As played fold the river.

so he has 3x or he checked an overpair on the flop?

Suffice it to say, I felt really dumb after the hand.

What suit was the 3 on the flop

Club

fold pre. As played fold turn because playing the river pretty much sucks.

i think 3betting pre is pretty bad. call or fold are kinda close...if you feel he's a much better player than you and there arent any mega fish in the blinds maybe a fold is best pre.

as played probably just fold when u get check raised on the turn...you're way behind his value range and you dont know what a good river looks like for you.

Probably just folding pre.

As played I would likely just check turn because I think going for 3 streets with this hand is tough.

Probably just fold river now.

there is a chance your sizing otf and ott is inducing some of the time.

That was what I was thinking until it got to showdown and I found out I was outplayed pretty bad. He was thinking: let me overbet this and this fish will probably call me thinking I'm bluffing.

It would actually be good river bluff against the right opponent because I don't I should call with anything less than kings. It should fold out all my jacks which is what I would have at most when I just called his turn check-raise

Don't be too hard on yourself. Top pair against over pair (or bottom trips) is in fact somewhat of a cooler in 2014. Especially after his flop check- which I don't get.

Thank you. I just felt like why would he check-call an overpair when like 25 cards hurt his ability to extract value so i am unsure whether he checked for pot control or deception. The 3 hit and he min checkraised the turn so could he have been afraid of j10? or was he checking purely for deception? He had two black aces. He also didnt want to showdown his hand so I flipped over my hand because I thought I was good and then he flipped them over. I think he wanted to pitch them into the muck if he had the loser so I and the table wouldnt have the information about how he played the hand or he just wanted to see my hand. showing my hand first was a mistake which I wont do again if i am not obligated.

^^This is ridiculous. Check back the flop with top pair. Check the turn again with jacks up?

Yes I agree that 3 bet or fold are best options but once the preflop call is made and the pre flop raiser checks into him on flop, a bet with top pair has to be made.

Ott, you can check it back for deception - to give off the impression you were just taking a stab at the flop, that maybe you have middle pair or a draw or even complete air - things that will induce a bluff on river. Played this way, a river bet is callable especially a no club.

As played, cant see how the 3 helps him other than giving him a flush, dont see villain playing a set that way on flop. I'm probably folding to c/r on turn, hence my suggestion that you check for pot control and to induce bluffs on blank rivers. If you call c/r even the best players will be playing a guessing game otr, hence why you should fold. If I am somehow in your spot and get to river, I still think I fold.

Wow wtf

What casino? Maybe your read on him as skilled pro was off.

Eh, I don't really mind his line.

His flop check back is kinda whack, but I was talking about his post river line.

I don't mind the check against villain's prone to stabbing when checked to. But yeah, he should be pretty happy to show down here.

Its commerce and im pretty sure he is a big winner

thanks. I agree with this

So either he thought he was bluffing- with an obv monster- or he was being a dick/slowrolling someone for no reason after getting a perfect runout/nice cooler. Not too many big winners at commerce do either of those things ime.

there are a lot of regs at commerce that give off the impression they are winning regs but most are break even or just slightly above. if you play there often enough you will see huge leaks in their game that contribute to them not being big winners in the 5/10 game. if it wasn't for the larger player pool of rotating rec players(l.a. being such a large city) they would be big losers in a tougher line up.

Come to think of it he probably did slow roll me but I don't care. I mean I really don't expect people to be polite in a casino. Although I wouldn't do that. I'm just speculating about his win rate but he plays a style that's seems optimal to exploit all the weak players that come through commerce. Your comments have made me understand this hand a lot better and how he didn't play it optimally actually thanks

I understand what your saying. I may be wrong but it is my impression and he seems to play an optimal style. As you say The recreational player pool at commerce is pretty vast and their play is pretty bad. I do see regs that play a much tighter style without a lot of depth to their game that I don't think can be significant winners